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Post by strutsagget on Mar 11, 2019 16:29:27 GMT
So thinking something like this:
Bloodwrack Shrine 2000p
Dark Elves
Supreme Sorceress: Level 4 Wizard; Lore of Life; Dark Pegasus; Dispel Scroll; Talisman of Preservation 340
Master: Battle Standard; heavy armour; great weapon; repeater crossbow; Sea Dragon cloak; Dark Steed; Dawnstone; Dragonhelm 159
Death Hag: Witchbrew; Ogre Blade 155
5 Dark Riders: musician; shields; repeater crossbows 110
5 Dark Riders: musician; shields; repeater crossbows 110
23 Witch Elves: Hag; musician; standard bearer 283
War Hydra: Fiery Breath 180
War Hydra: Fiery Breath 180
5 Doomfire Warlocks 125
Bloodwrack Shrine 175
10 Sisters of Slaughter: Handmaiden of Shards; musician; standard bearer 180
1 997 points
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Post by mrburp on Mar 12, 2019 7:38:54 GMT
My 5 cents (out of my head, to be fair i dont know what a bloodwrack strike does).
You have quite a lot invested in controlling movement (I would drop 1 unit fast cav). Really a lot invested in killing power. But i miss Some staying power.
Maybe the hydra’s Will do but last time i faced them they were a Joke (Swordmasters of Hoeth killing 1 and Alarielle killing the other in 1 combat 😅 gotta love heroic killing blow)
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Post by crownprinceimrik on Mar 12, 2019 9:32:20 GMT
The list is interesting. I've got a few suggestions and thoughts.
Having the Sorceress on a Pegasus seems risky. She just seems too easy to focus down, even with the 4++, volume S3 shooting will kill her, and a good opponent with magic will fire a magic missile at her every single magic phase because you are essentially forced to use dispel dice to stop it, otherwise you'll risk your wizard. Allowing your opponent to dictate where you spend dispel dice is not usually advisable.
You've got good board control in the list, I wouldn't drop any of the fast cav or the Sisters. Staying power also shouldn't be an issue. With good board control you don't need staying power since you can control which combats you get into, so get into ones you'll win quickly.
Hydras are also very good at mulching infantry, so I wouldn't drop those.
I am a bit concerned about how you'd face high toughness and high armor. The highest strength in your list is the S6 Death Hag, other than that the Hydras are S5, then you get lower. Heavy Cavalry could cause you extreme headaches. The Poison on the Witch Elves combined with the Shrine's shooting attack could help against monsters, but Stegadons, Frosthearts, Sphinxes, and things like that could also cause you a lot of trouble that you would be relying on magic and board control to fight against, which might not be the best.
The Witch Elf unit also seems just a bit small.
Finally, a note on the Shrine, it's very situational. Against high initiative armies like elves it will be of very little use to you. Against Dwarves or Lizardmen it could be quite good. Because of that I think it's a friendly unit and not competitive. If that's what you're going for, then I'll be interested to hear how it does!
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Post by strutsagget on Mar 12, 2019 14:06:43 GMT
Well I have never played the shrine and I am currently building it. The idea is to have the shrine pulled by the sisters in same unit. Not sure where to put the sorceress. I am not a fan of having all magic in same unit. But could probably field her with one of the dark riders and then upper the number.
Maybe run BSB and sorceress in same rider unit? And add a razor standard to witches?
Bloodwrack Shrine 2000p
Dark Elves
Supreme Sorceress: Level 4 Wizard; Lore of Shadow; Dark Steed; Dispel Scroll; Talisman of Preservation 310
Master: Battle Standard; heavy armour; great weapon; repeater crossbow; Sea Dragon cloak; Dark Steed; Dawnstone; Dragonhelm 159
Death Hag: Witchbrew; Ogre Blade 155
8 Dark Riders: musician; standard bearer; shields; repeater crossbows 180
23 Witch Elves: Hag; musician; standard bearer (Razor Standard) 328
War Hydra: Fiery Breath 180
War Hydra: Fiery Breath 180
6 Doomfire Warlocks 150
Bloodwrack Shrine 175
10 Sisters of Slaughter: Handmaiden of Shards; musician; standard bearer 180
1 997 points
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Post by knoffles on Mar 13, 2019 6:41:49 GMT
I love that you are taking both the sisters and shrine as you rarely see either. I do wonder at the effectiveness of it but glad to see it fielded as something different.
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Post by sedge on Mar 16, 2019 13:58:12 GMT
I like your lists. I'd be tempted to put the Razor Standard on the Sisters instead to make them a proper elite-killer, but it's a small unit to be putting that on and the Shrine has some ways of threatening armour already.
The Supreme Sorceress on Pegasus is quite vulnerable, and I don't think Lore of Life really benefits from that mobility. However, for an extra 35 points you could get Morathi, who has ridiculously strong casting, a much wider selection of lores (you can Death snipe with her, which goes well with Ld10/her mobility), the 4++ built in and Magic Resistance 2 to make her virtually immune to spells, plus can be useful in combat too.
If your opponent has ranged threats they then need to split it between Morathi, two Hydras, the Sisters unit... it's target saturation.
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Post by redknight on Mar 18, 2019 5:59:07 GMT
I like the list, I've always been a fan of the double Hydra !
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Post by strutsagget on Mar 18, 2019 17:40:13 GMT
I like your lists. I'd be tempted to put the Razor Standard on the Sisters instead to make them a proper elite-killer, but it's a small unit to be putting that on and the Shrine has some ways of threatening armour already. The Supreme Sorceress on Pegasus is quite vulnerable, and I don't think Lore of Life really benefits from that mobility. However, for an extra 35 points you could get Morathi, who has ridiculously strong casting, a much wider selection of lores (you can Death snipe with her, which goes well with Ld10/her mobility), the 4++ built in and Magic Resistance 2 to make her virtually immune to spells, plus can be useful in combat too. If your opponent has ranged threats they then need to split it between Morathi, two Hydras, the Sisters unit... it's target saturation. Life was a mistake it was suppose to be shadow even if it matches well with hydras  |
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Post by strutsagget on Mar 18, 2019 17:41:42 GMT
This is a list with small tweaks. BSB and sorceress with the riders.
Bloodwrack Shrine 2000p
Dark Elves
Supreme Sorceress: Level 4 Wizard; Lore of Shadow; Dark Steed; Dispel Scroll; Talisman of Preservation 310
Master: Battle Standard; heavy armour; great weapon; brace of repeater handbows; Sea Dragon cloak; Dark Steed; Dawnstone; Dragonhelm 164
Death Hag: Witchbrew; Ogre Blade 155
8 Dark Riders: musician; standard bearer; shields; repeater crossbows 180
25 Witch Elves: Hag; musician; standard bearer (Razor Standard) 350
War Hydra: Fiery Breath 180
War Hydra: Fiery Breath 180
5 Doomfire Warlocks 125
Bloodwrack Shrine 175
10 Sisters of Slaughter: Handmaiden of Shards; musician; standard bearer 180
1 999 points
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Post by strutsagget on Mar 20, 2019 10:37:37 GMT
Had my first game with shrine yesterday and won against Lizzie’s ! Brought the second list. Mindrazor on sister/shrine killed some temple guards.  |
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