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Post by nostromo on Feb 1, 2020 22:26:29 GMT
Quick and simple question - can a mounted character be equipped with the magical weapon Fencer's Blades from the BRB?
Just wondering if the fact it is a magical items overrides the rule that A/HW cannot be used on a mount.
Cheers!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 1, 2020 22:47:01 GMT
As you indicate, "two/Additional HWs" can only be used by models on foot. However, the Fencer's Blades are "paired weapons," not "two/additional HWs." Hence, they are not restricted to models on foot.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 1, 2020 23:05:36 GMT
Thank you again  |
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Post by johngg on Feb 3, 2020 9:32:42 GMT
hmm a bit Gamey there. The fencers blades are clearly 2 weapons... The idea behind not being able to use two weapons is that a riders requires at least one hand to control his mount.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 3, 2020 10:14:27 GMT
Fluff has no bearing on the rules. That said, that cannot really have been the idea behind it, since there are various cavalry units that can be equipped with two-handed weapons, and e.g. Marius Leitdorf (on horseback) actually carries Paired Weapons. Besides,there are ample historical examples of horsemen fighting with two or two-handed weapon, using the knees to contol the mount.
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Post by Horace on Feb 3, 2020 11:41:21 GMT
Paired weapons are not the same as additional hand weapons, I don't really see it as gamey. As FvonSigmaringen says, there are several mounted Special Characters which use Paired Weapons, Azhag is another. If you followed the Additional Hand Weapon rules for him you would not be able to use his magical weapon at all. PAIRED WEAPONS Paired weapons are Magic Weapons that are bought as a pair. In addition to their other effects, paired weapons grant the bearer the Extra Attack special rule. |
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Post by vulcan on Feb 4, 2020 0:00:51 GMT
hmm a bit Gamey there. The fencers blades are clearly 2 weapons... The idea behind not being able to use two weapons is that a riders requires at least one hand to control his mount. The same logic says you can't use weapon and shield while mounted, while historically they clearly did. A good horse can be controlled with your heels. |
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Post by glocks4interns on Feb 4, 2020 16:51:34 GMT
hmm a bit Gamey there. The fencers blades are clearly 2 weapons... The idea behind not being able to use two weapons is that a riders requires at least one hand to control his mount. The same logic says you can't use weapon and shield while mounted, while historically they clearly did. A good horse can be controlled with your heels. While I'm not debating the overall point shield can strapped to the arm while a ~sword has to be held in your hand. |
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Feb 4, 2020 22:28:04 GMT
Fluff has no bearing on the rules. OBV Love |
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Post by vulcan on Feb 4, 2020 23:27:34 GMT
The same logic says you can't use weapon and shield while mounted, while historically they clearly did. A good horse can be controlled with your heels. While I'm not debating the overall point shield can strapped to the arm while a ~sword has to be held in your hand. Ah... even a shield that is strapped to your arm has a handgrip to control it. And many medieval cavalry shields weren't strapped to the rider's arm so it could be dropped at need. Say, if you fell off the horse... Like I said, a good horse can be controlled with your heels; no input from the reins necessary. |
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Post by johngg on Feb 5, 2020 17:17:23 GMT
hmm a bit Gamey there. The fencers blades are clearly 2 weapons... The idea behind not being able to use two weapons is that a riders requires at least one hand to control his mount. The same logic says you can't use weapon and shield while mounted, while historically they clearly did. A good horse can be controlled with your heels. Historically, were the reins of the horse not carried in the hand of the arm bearing the shield?? It's one thing to hold a shield, quite another to wield sword, I would think. |
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Post by vulcan on Feb 5, 2020 18:08:49 GMT
You're not understanding me.
In combat NO HANDS HOLD THE REINS, as the horse is controlled with the rider's HEELS instead.
This is why you ride a trained warhorse into battle, ideally one you've ridden before, instead of just grabbing a random horse and charging.
I mean, seriously... how did you think horse archers did their thing?
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Feb 23, 2020 13:18:11 GMT
Fluff has no bearing on the rules. That said, that cannot really have been the idea behind it, since there are various cavalry units that can be equipped with two-handed weapons, and e.g. Marius Leitdorf (on horseback) actually carries Paired Weapons. Besides,there are ample historical examples of horsemen fighting with two or two-handed weapon, using the knees to contol the mount. And to be fair you don’t actually ride a horse with a lot of hand control. Perfect example of not using any hands would be anyone with a bow firing from horse back. |
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Post by DiscoQing on Feb 26, 2020 0:35:21 GMT
Great Weapons.
Halberds.
Flails.
Discuss.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 26, 2020 10:56:17 GMT
@discoqing: Rulkeswise? Historically?
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