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Post by livewaaaaagh on Feb 6, 2020 15:52:32 GMT
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Post by livewaaaaagh on Feb 6, 2020 15:57:47 GMT
One initial reaction on my end here is excitement of course but also caution. Why?
Well, it's been stated that the game will be a Specialist game from Forgeworld and thus the scope is likely to be limited a bit compared to 8th edition. The maps they've been showing are really only of the Empire and they're hinting here at maybe new Empire provinces? So should we expect a more limited range of rules and models? For example, are we to assume the setting will mostly be around the Empire? If so, factions like Lizardmen or Tomb Kings might not get much support. If they focus on this area, are we limiting to Empire, Beastmen, Vampires, etc?
Important to note that the first announcement contained amap that went down tot he Badlands, including Bretonnia, Athel Loren, Estalia, Tilea anda bit of the Dark Lands, though.
Anyway - comment away!
Edit: Someone on FB said this is likely taking place before Magnus, wand potentially the War of the 3 Emperors
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Post by glocks4interns on Feb 6, 2020 17:14:15 GMT
Some general thoughts:
1- I do think a smaller focus at launch is likely. 2- However I think it's likely GW will toss all armies a list, more on this below 3- I think it's likely that long term we'll see campaigns set from various eras and in various regions
On army support:
When 8th edition 40k dropped they released "index" books which had barebones army lists for every faction, while full codex releases took about 18 months to roll out. I'm not sure they'd do the same here but I think providing rules for all the old WFB (at least all the 8th edition) armies is likely. GW's "Legends" rules for old WFB and 40k models have also been updated/expanded/improved from when first released so I think GW is very much in a mindset of "let people play with their toys." Necromunda is a weird case where they released the game with limited lists for the "core" gangs that were not out yet, but have not released rules for some of the expansion gangs yet.
So I think it's quite likely that at release or quickly thereafter we'll see lists for all the major factions. That said, I'd not be shocked to see limited support for some factions and full army books/releases for others. I think we might get a Wood Elf army list representing all the units in 8th, but most of those will remain OOP, it's just for people who already have the army or want to hunt on eBay. Then 2-3 years down the line they get a new book and new releases to support the full range. I also expect to see Made to Order releases of old stuff for some of these semi-supported factions as we've seen for AoS and MESBG (LotR).
This is all speculation but I think it is the way GW has been trending and I think is the way to roll things out that is both feasible and will make a smaller number of people mad than alternatives (and let's be honest literally anything GW does related to this project will make some number of people mad).
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Post by glocks4interns on Feb 6, 2020 17:17:02 GMT
My other semi-baseless bit of speculation is that they want this to be a pretty broad specialist game to pick up slack form 30k. It's no secret that 8th edition 40k hurt 30k to one degree or another, and also the 30k story is winding down. I don't expect them to kill 30k and I think people will be playing their 30k legions in 20 and 30 years, but I expect pickup of new players will tail off and the scene to shrink. I expect they see Old World as a way to continue to offer an army-scale specialist game.
The good news in comparison to 30k is that specialist games have become much more plastic-friendly in the past few years, and while I expect lots of resin releases I expect unit choices will all be plastic.
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Post by Naitsabes on Feb 6, 2020 17:49:03 GMT
(and let's be honest literally anything GW does related to this project will make some number of people mad). yep! still cool to see them put effort into this.
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Post by DiscoQing on Feb 6, 2020 18:05:07 GMT
I can't remember seeing anywhere that Forgeworld would be making TOW. They referenced Horus Heresy (which is FW), but I assumed it'd be a GW product. IMM they're probably downsizing FW.
I don't mind "new privinces" being brought in to the fore, they're probably old ones in terms of time line (like before Karl Franz, for example).
It'd be cool to see an Un-unified Bretonnia too - as well as maybe less chaotic Norscans?
Good to see they've got the hot girl some good talent on this already.
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Post by Horace on Feb 6, 2020 20:08:59 GMT
Although this looks like not what (all?) I hoped for and can see this annoying folks, I hope it is the start of something greater, which is expanded upon.
Even bare bones rules for older models would do in the meantime until campaigns/supplements roll around to each race or area of the map
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Post by keckmatt on Feb 6, 2020 20:31:43 GMT
If the map is representing an earlier timeline maybe to two of the places marked on the map are the provinces of Solland and Drakwald?
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Post by glocks4interns on Feb 6, 2020 20:42:10 GMT
I can't remember seeing anywhere that Forgeworld would be making TOW. They referenced Horus Heresy (which is FW), but I assumed it'd be a GW product. IMM they're probably downsizing FW. I don't mind "new privinces" being brought in to the fore, they're probably old ones in terms of time line (like before Karl Franz, for example). It'd be cool to see an Un-unified Bretonnia too - as well as maybe less chaotic Norscans? Good to see they've got the hot girl some good talent on this already. FW is now part of Specialist Games, so yes this will be a Specialist Game not a FW game though I don't think there is a huge functional difference at this point.
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Post by arraboy on Feb 6, 2020 20:57:33 GMT
Well it's got my juices flowing. I still have to pinch myself to be sure this is not a dream. They're bringing back WFB what's not to like! Think of how upset you was when it got dropped, you'd have taken any old shit as long as it came back, but it looks like they are putting a lot of effort in!
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Post by mottdon on Feb 8, 2020 21:57:24 GMT
Well, from the video (if you can call it that), it looks like they're establishing some of the older provinces. Middenland (Middenheim) being among them, so that has me happy right now. I can't realistically see them not including Middenheim since that has ALWAYS been SUCH a HUGE part of Empire lore from the beginning.
Honestly, I think the Empire is just where they've started. The map will continue to expand and include more and more. They just had to start somewhere and, let's be honest, the Empire is where most everything revolves around in TOW.
As far as this being a "specialist game" or not, doesn't really matter. It'll be big for GW whatever the label. They've dropped it once, I don't think they'll make that mistake again after putting so much effort into navigating their way back into the scene that they carelessly threw away without fully understanding the market that they were alienating themselves from. If they can manage to do that without getting egg on their face by admitting, "We f*cked up!", then they won't likely do it again. That alone gives me confidence in this endeavor.
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Post by gregr on Feb 8, 2020 22:09:22 GMT
I agree Mottdon. Doesnt it say something about the first stop being the Empire? I think it's the beginning and they'll release new Empire minis first. There are currently less Empire minis on the GW website but I cant remember whats been withdrawn! This fits into my humans are easiest to flog thoughts.
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Post by glocks4interns on Feb 8, 2020 23:32:23 GMT
I agree Mottdon. Doesnt it say something about the first stop being the Empire? I think it's the beginning and they'll release new Empire minis first. There are currently less Empire minis on the GW website but I cant remember whats been withdrawn! This fits into my humans are easiest to flog thoughts. Things that went away with WFB: Militia Knights Cannon/Mortar Kit Things that went away recently: War Alter Archers Plastic General/BSB kit Not including named characters in the list and I'm sure I'm missing some stuff but those should be most of the major bits. But yeah I think new Empire stuff seems likely.
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Post by gregr on Feb 8, 2020 23:59:25 GMT
Do we think they're things due to make a return!?
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Post by mottdon on Feb 9, 2020 11:45:20 GMT
Do we think they're things due to make a return!? Well, they did say new models, and I know everyone was shocked and disappointed when they didn't make new knight models when they released the Empire 8th book, so seems to me, that'd be at the top of the list. Plus, with the new woC Knights models they recently released, seems like they have their model formula down.
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