Marshlands and Steadfast

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Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 15, 2016 14:25:14 GMT grandmasterwang likes this

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Post by KevinC on Mar 15, 2016 14:25:14 GMT

wilsonthenarc

Some questions came up regarding terrain, specifically marshlands. I looked at the terrain features more closely.

This is the main differences:

Forests: Units cannot be steadfast (unless they are Stubborn). Skirmishers gain Stubborn special rule. Provides soft cover. Dangerous Terrain for Cavalry, Monstrous Cavalry, chariots, and flyers.

Rivers: Units cannot be steadfast (unless they are Stubborn) and cannot claim rank bonus. Additionally, units cannot march.

Marshland: All models tests for Dangerous Terrain, except Skirmishers. Cavalry, Monstrous Cavalry and chariots fail on a 1 or 2.

So, units do have ranks and can be steadfast in a marsh.

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Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 15, 2016 16:11:41 GMT

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Post by wilsonthenarc on Mar 15, 2016 16:11:41 GMT

Thanks Kevin, I agree.
It means Dan and I played it 100% right.

Which means the wording on Ranger's Standard where we saw it was odd.
Something to the effect of: "A unit in a forest or marsh will not lose steadfast when they have this banner."

Which is true. And fine.
It's just that it would imply a unit without that standard WOULD lose steadfast.

The rule was also fresh in my mind cause Dan and I had just played a game where that would have made a huge difference.
It was very fresh in my mind cause I rolled 3 "1's" on 4 dice for one turn which lead to having my own undead Monsters and Monstrous Cavalry sucked into the quicksand.

The quicksand don't care who you are.

KevinC God Goblin King of New York! Posts: 2,293	Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 15, 2016 17:00:24 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by KevinC on Mar 15, 2016 17:00:24 GMT Yeah, the Range's Standard is merely saying that the unit will not lose steadfast as a result of being in terrain.
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avatarofbugman God To battle, to war. For us there is nothing more! Posts: 782	Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 15, 2016 19:36:09 GMT via Tapatalk Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by avatarofbugman on Mar 15, 2016 19:36:09 GMT I think that table goes back before 8th.
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avatarofbugman God To battle, to war. For us there is nothing more! Posts: 782	Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 15, 2016 19:36:25 GMT via Tapatalk Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by avatarofbugman on Mar 15, 2016 19:36:25 GMT I mean early 8th
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KevinC God Goblin King of New York! Posts: 2,293	Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 15, 2016 20:41:14 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by KevinC on Mar 15, 2016 20:41:14 GMT Heirloom Table was published in a WD during 8th edition.
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avatarofbugman God To battle, to war. For us there is nothing more! Posts: 782	Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 16, 2016 16:38:41 GMT via Tapatalk Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by avatarofbugman on Mar 16, 2016 16:38:41 GMT Yeah, that's what I meant. I believe it was written before 8th, however, to coincide with its release. It would explain the awkward wording.
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KevinC God Goblin King of New York! Posts: 2,293	Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 16, 2016 18:31:45 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by KevinC on Mar 16, 2016 18:31:45 GMT I just noticed the Ranger's Standard is also in the rulebook but works differently. In the rulebook it gives the unit the Strider special rule.
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avatarofbugman God To battle, to war. For us there is nothing more! Posts: 782	Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 16, 2016 22:24:32 GMT via Tapatalk Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by avatarofbugman on Mar 16, 2016 22:24:32 GMT That's what makes me believe that the WD one was made during early 8th writing.
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KevinC God Goblin King of New York! Posts: 2,293	Marshlands and Steadfast Mar 16, 2016 22:50:30 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by KevinC on Mar 16, 2016 22:50:30 GMT Could be, but there are a lot of items on the heirloom table that appear no where else in 8th edition.
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