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Post by tileag on Mar 2, 2020 19:33:16 GMT
Does Galrauch get 1 breath weapon or two? I cant see anything in the brb about 2 headed dragons nor does his profile say anything about 2 breath attacks
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 2, 2020 22:46:06 GMT
Two, since he has the Dark Fire of Chaos special rule and the Breath of Change special rule, both of which are breath weapons (Chaos AB,p. 56).
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Post by tileag on Mar 2, 2020 23:05:20 GMT
Two, since he has the Dark Fire of Chaos special rule and the Breath of Change special rule, both of which are breath weapons (Chaos AB,p. 56). Wow ill go reread that tonight, thank you!
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Post by tileag on Mar 5, 2020 18:51:13 GMT
One more question. In a challenge how do his breath attacks work? For the generic one im pretty sure its just 2d6 hits on the character, but what about his special breath attack?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 5, 2020 22:54:27 GMT
The general rule is that a model (including rider + mount) in a challenge can only attack the other model in the challenge: unless specifically stated otherwise, it applies to all attacks. In addition, although they are special rules, both are still Breath Weapons, and thus follow the rules for Breath Weapons, except where specified otherwise - and they do not specify anything otherwise for challenges. BRB p. 102: These two characters must direct all of their attacks against each other — they cannot be attacked by any other model for that round of close combat.
BRB p. 103: If a competitor in a challenge is riding a mount, then that mount (including the crew of a chariot, if the character is riding one) must direct its attacks against either the other competitor or that competitor's mount (if he is riding one). If the opponent is slain before all of a model's attacks are made (because a competitor and his mount strike at different Initiative steps, for example) then any excess Attacks are lost and cannot be directed against other models.
This is confirmed by the (rather superfluous) BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.11: Q: If a model with a Breath Weapon, Stomp or Thunderstomp is in a challenge, can these attacks hit models not in the challenge?(p102) A: No.
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Post by tileag on Mar 5, 2020 23:14:33 GMT
The general rule is that a model (including rider + mount) in a challenge can only attack the other model in the challenge: unless specifically stated otherwise, it applies to all attacks. In addition, although they are special rules, both are still Breath Weapons, and thus follow the rules for Breath Weapons, except where specified otherwise - and they do not specify anything otherwise for challenges. BRB p. 102: These two characters must direct all of their attacks against each other — they cannot be attacked by any other model for that round of close combat. BRB p. 103: If a competitor in a challenge is riding a mount, then that mount (including the crew of a chariot, if the character is riding one) must direct its attacks against either the other competitor or that competitor's mount (if he is riding one). If the opponent is slain before all of a model's attacks are made (because a competitor and his mount strike at different Initiative steps, for example) then any excess Attacks are lost and cannot be directed against other models. This is confirmed by the (rather superfluous) BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.11: Q: If a model with a Breath Weapon, Stomp or Thunderstomp is in a challenge, can these attacks hit models not in the challenge?(p102) A: No. So with Galrauch its 2d6 initiative tests (or toughness have to check). So does that mean in the challenge if Galrauch uses it the opponent must take 2d6 tests? One fail and they are dead? Thanks again for helping out
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 5, 2020 23:41:38 GMT
Yes.
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Post by tileag on Mar 5, 2020 23:44:34 GMT
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 5, 2020 23:45:58 GMT
It answered your last 2 questions 😂
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 6, 2020 8:58:23 GMT
The Breath of Chaos special rule states: "Any models hit must pass a Toughness test or be removed from play with no saves of any kind allowed." Prima facie, this would mean that a model needs to take only one test, regardless of the number of hits, although the wording is sufficiently vague to allow for a test for each hit. Perhaps there is a precedent somewhere to decide the question, but, at the moment, I cannot think of one.
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 6, 2020 12:05:37 GMT
Similar to the Carmine Dragon breath weapon I guess.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 6, 2020 16:48:53 GMT
I am afraid not. The Coruscating Blast of the Carmine Dragon is a Breath Weapon that "works similarly to determining the effects of a cannon shot."
The Pestilential Breath of a Zombie Dragon (VC AB, p. 49) is very similar, indeed too similar to be of any help: "The Zombie Dragon has a Breath Weapon. Any model hit suffers a Strength 2 hit, with a -3 armour save modifier."
Also from the VC AB, we have the Black Axe of Krell: "Furthermore, any model taking an unsaved Wound from the Black Axe but not removed from play must roll a D6 at the start of each of its subsequent turns. If the result is higher than the number of Wounds it has remaining, that model suffers an additional Wound with no armour saves allowed." I should think the model has to roll only one die, not a die per unsaved Wound.
It is perhaps best to discuss this beforehand with your opponent.
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Post by DiscoQing on Mar 6, 2020 20:19:50 GMT
Doesn't a carmine dragon breath weapon in combat get 2d6 hits of the same effect?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 6, 2020 21:44:41 GMT
The Forgeworld & Tamurkhan rules are not quite the same, but both are silent on how Coruscating Blast is supposed to work in CC. BRB p. 67 specifies: "the Strength and any special effects of the creature's Breath Weapon will be covered in its rules," but that is simply not the case. So, maybe, it is not supposed to work in CC. Since it "works similarly to determining the effects of a cannon shot", one could perhaps agree on treating it in CC like grapeshot.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Mar 6, 2020 22:06:19 GMT
There are also rules for the Coruscating Blast of the Carmine Dragon in Monstrous Arcanum: it has the same rules as Tamurkhan and is equally silent on CC.
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