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Post by Lizards_of_Renown on Jun 7, 2021 23:41:01 GMT
(Speaking of which, I just used your Tomb Kings rules supplement yesterday in a game with my wife. Ultimately, she crushed me with arrows. But I LOVE the new signature spell! Makes them feel so much more balanced! -----------Ah good to know! She was playing Tomb Kings? And what army were you playing? Where is this Tk's supplement? You have me intrigued...
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Post by mottdon on Jun 8, 2021 0:06:01 GMT
(Speaking of which, I just used your Tomb Kings rules supplement yesterday in a game with my wife. Ultimately, she crushed me with arrows. But I LOVE the new signature spell! Makes them feel so much more balanced! -----------Ah good to know! She was playing Tomb Kings? And what army were you playing? Actually, I was the one playing TK. She was playing HE. Looked like I was going to win, until about turn 5, when suddenly she started rolling out of her mind and wiped out my Tomb Guard, Scorpion, Heirotitan and put 2 wounds on my Lv4. The army just fell apart after that.
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Post by KevinC on Jun 9, 2021 3:12:32 GMT
-----------Ah good to know! She was playing Tomb Kings? And what army were you playing? Where is this Tk's supplement? You have me intrigued... ------It's not a supplement, but it's a small errata, the third post down here: Tomb Kings
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Post by KevinC on Jul 12, 2021 20:25:40 GMT
Found this on the dark web. Who knows the accuracy...
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Post by Lizards_of_Renown on Jul 12, 2021 20:33:44 GMT
Found this on the dark web. Who knows the accuracy... Would be great, but highly unlikely I think. Doesn't fit with the GW "make everyone buy new armies" thing they have going... The other post earlier on this one made more sense I think. Don't get me wrong! I would love for this to be true. Just my basic cynical nature says no.
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Post by Horace on Jul 12, 2021 21:53:04 GMT
I could see rules for all old stuff put out because it provides a holding position whilst they churn out the new stuff. I expect we will see Kislev, Cathay and lots of niche subfaction releases
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Post by mottdon on Jul 12, 2021 23:17:21 GMT
Yeah, I don't really buy what that guy's sellin', but I love for it to be true. If they adopt the former 8th edition army format, they'll need to start from somewhere, and then they'll update the armies one by one, until they get to everything they're going to (if sales are good).
I think we'll definitely see Kislev in the starter box, and probably WoC as seen in the Total War advertising. Just makes sense. Soon after, we'll see other factions like Cathy, Chaos Dwarves, Brets, etc.
I don't believe anything people post on FB though. That's all just speculation and made up sh*t.
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Post by KevinC on Jul 13, 2021 3:19:36 GMT
I agree with a lot of the comments here. I think I stated before, ideally we get tweaked 8th edition that allows the 8th edition army books to work with the Old World. Because I'd rather have them focus on new factions and armies, but at the same time allow all the old armies to play...keeping the 8th edition books would be perfect in my eyes.
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 13, 2021 5:39:07 GMT
Let’s hope it will be true
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Post by DiscoQing on Jul 13, 2021 10:39:22 GMT
I agree with a lot of the comments here. I think I stated before, ideally we get tweaked 8th edition that allows the 8th edition army books to work with the Old World. Because I'd rather have them focus on new factions and armies, but at the same time allow all the old armies to play...keeping the 8th edition books would be perfect in my eyes. That strategy worked for aos, so can see it working for TOW 😊
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Post by Golgfag on Jul 13, 2021 19:36:47 GMT
I can believe it, I know some people on other sites have this irrational idea that GW is doing a bait & switch, planning to bring it back with all the old armies & concepts removed but that makes no sense at all, as they have hammered home this is heavily linked in with the success of the TW games.
For example do some people truly believe they will have Dwarfs but without rules for them wielding axes, hammers, crossbows, handguns etc?
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Post by KevinC on Jul 13, 2021 19:52:54 GMT
I can believe it, I know some people on other sites have this irrational idea that GW is doing a bait & switch, planning to bring it back with all the old armies & concepts removed but that makes no sense at all, as they have hammered home this is heavily linked in with the success of the TW games. For example do some people truly believe they will have Dwarfs but without rules for them wielding axes, hammers, crossbows, handguns etc? Agreed. Total War Warhammer is a big reason why they are doing this.
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Post by Mallo on Jul 14, 2021 7:36:03 GMT
I really don't believe in anything there. I really doubt they would wait till 2024 to release anything, as that would collide with the 4th Ed of AoS if they intend to stick with the three year edition cycle. I do not think that what ever they do end up releasing, that it will have any resemblance to 8th sadly. 8th has a vocal minority of people that complain the loudest on the Age Of Sigmar forums & groups. GW is going to want to ensnare the AoS community into buying into the new game, especially these 'meta' gamers or edition chasers, as that is where the big money is for them. So I do doubt they would base the game on the edition that gets the sort of comments that 8th does from that crowd. Sadly, no matter how excited anyone is for the new game from the pool of WFB players, the target audience will still be the current or new AoS players. The biggest commercial success of GW has been how they have convinced their current audience that games and models (which last more than a lifetime) have a shelf life of around 2 years. They will not be targeting WFB players who are still happily using models and books from 20-30 years ago. I think at this point, the only good thing to come from this release is going to be another option for models to use in games and expansion in to the lore/fluff in new books/rules. Also having books that allow you to use all old armies- they did that with necromunda and it only last a couple of weeks. When they put the new version out, they did like one made to order and put out rules to use all the old models and then stopped referring to them pretty quickly. Even if they do this for the old world, then I dont expect them to be anything more than a place holder for the first three months to get people buying the rulebook before they 'invalidate' the rules to get people buying into the new books and models.
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Post by strutsagget on Jul 14, 2021 9:06:52 GMT
I really don't believe in anything there. I really doubt they would wait till 2024 to release anything, as that would collide with the 4th Ed of AoS if they intend to stick with the three year edition cycle. I do not think that what ever they do end up releasing, that it will have any resemblance to 8th sadly. 8th has a vocal minority of people that complain the loudest on the Age Of Sigmar forums & groups. GW is going to want to ensnare the AoS community into buying into the new game, especially these 'meta' gamers or edition chasers, as that is where the big money is for them. So I do doubt they would base the game on the edition that gets the sort of comments that 8th does from that crowd. Sadly, no matter how excited anyone is for the new game from the pool of WFB players, the target audience will still be the current or new AoS players. The biggest commercial success of GW has been how they have convinced their current audience that games and models (which last more than a lifetime) have a shelf life of around 2 years. They will not be targeting WFB players who are still happily using models and books from 20-30 years ago. I think at this point, the only good thing to come from this release is going to be another option for models to use in games and expansion in to the lore/fluff in new books/rules. Also having books that allow you to use all old armies- they did that with necromunda and it only last a couple of weeks. When they put the new version out, they did like one made to order and put out rules to use all the old models and then stopped referring to them pretty quickly. Even if they do this for the old world, then I dont expect them to be anything more than a place holder for the first three months to get people buying the rulebook before they 'invalidate' the rules to get people buying into the new books and models.
I really don’t think you are right from a marketing point. If they want to sell more models to AoS fans the easiest way to do that is not start a parallel system but just instead crunching more races and army book into that settings. Hey just randomly but two word together and you have a new race in AoS. The only market GW have lost is us the old farts with massive collections. A lot have gone to other systems like KoW. 9Age or stopped buying new stuff as sigmarines, flying turtles or cow elves just is not my cup of tea. And lets just face it if the release new Kislev and other less develop ranges we will buy it as long as it is well made. It’s not the lack of purchasing will but the lack of models that keeps us more or less buying on Ebay. Hey I can find every 40k army second hand and no one is saying space marines has stopped selling because of second hand market. So I don’t see existing collections as a problem as long fitting new models/armies exist. I can only find that if they want the new game to have it’s successful niche market like necromunda, kill team or titanicus it is us thats is the market. Everything else is only leaching on existing customers. I think we will get a warhammer fantasy rank and file game. Will it look like 8ed probably not. And also we will probably get the level of support as Horus Heresy. Unless it will sell like god then they will shift it of course. It’s a company they will produce the system that sells the best and give that the most support and time in the spotlight.
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Post by mottdon on Jul 14, 2021 11:09:27 GMT
I think you nailed it strutsagget. Especially your insight to buying 40K second-hand. Nobody ever mentions ANYTHING about that effecting them, because it doesn't.
In the end, I really don't give a flying fork WHAT the "new edition" will contain rules-wise. All I'm hoping for is something that is close enough to 8th-style, that I can adapt it to 8th. That, in my opinion, won't be a total loss. If it's just an updated version of 8th, great! I'll probably buy into it. If not, oh well, nothing has changed.
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