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Knoffles Empire lists Oct 21, 2020 17:20:39 GMT via mobile strutsagget likes this

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Post by knoffles on Oct 21, 2020 17:20:39 GMT

Gents,

After my Empire haul the other year I’ve recently added a bit to it (20 more halbadiers and a stank. This now means I have the following available to build an army from.

I actually only have 5 greatswords (the older metal command models).

What I want some advice on is what to pick up next in my paranoia that GW will continue to clear down the range.

I know that technically the hurricanum has some great synergy but the model looks fiddly as anything and the thought of painting it sends shivers down my spine.

My thoughts are along the following lines

30 flagellents - love the rules for these guys but not sure if 30 is enough due to their self destructive nature but they are unbreakable.

20 greatswords (so I’d have 25). Again not sure if 25 is enough due to the asl though stubborn will keep them around. These are some of my favourite Empire sculpts, so that’s a plus for them.

5 pistolliers - again great models but not sure about their effectiveness in the game for their points

3 Demigryphs (I appreciate that 4 is optimal but I’m not buying 2 boxes if I won’t use the others 2. Out of all of them these are probably the ones I favour least.

I’ll grab a warrior priest on foot and a witch hunter at some point but just looking at GW available bits at the minute.

Anyway, thoughts are appreciated.

++ Standard (Empire - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.2.) [3,133pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Lords +

Battle Wizard Lord [200pts]: Wizard Level 4

Grand Master [159pts]: Shield

Kurt Helborg, Reiksmarshal of the Empire [320pts]: AB - Laurels of Victory, AB - The Solland Runefang

+ Heroes +

Captain of the Empire [60pts]: Light Armour

Ludwig Schwarzhelm, The Emperor's Champion [185pts]: AB - Sword of Justice, AB - The Emperor's Standard

Master Engineer [65pts]

Master Engineer [65pts]

Warrior Priest [85pts]: Heavy Armour, Shield
. Warhorse: Barding

+ Core +

Crossbowmen [90pts]: 10x Crossbowmen

Free Company Militia [234pts]: Champion, 34x Free Company Militia, Musician, Standard Bearer

Halberdiers [340pts]: Champion, 40x Halberdiers, Musician, Standard Bearer
. Archers: 10x Archers

Knightly Orders Inner Circle [280pts]: Champion, 10x Knightly Orders Inner Circle, Lance and Shield, Musician, Standard Bearer

+ Special +

Great Cannon [120pts]

Great Cannon [120pts]

Greatswords [110pts]: 10x Greatswords

Mortar [100pts]

Outriders [230pts]: 10x Outriders
. Champion: Repeater Handgun
. Musician

+ Rare +

Helblaster Volley Gun [120pts]

Steam Tank [250pts]

++ Total: [3,133pts] ++

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Knoffles Empire lists Oct 21, 2020 18:08:18 GMT knoffles and strutsagget like this

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Post by Naitsabes on Oct 21, 2020 18:08:18 GMT

looking pretty good there. I don't think there is much to add.

in terms of in-game efficiency:
- flagellants aren't great. you'd be taking those for their rugged good looks. A bigger unit just means your spending even more points on looks.
- three demigryphs with only musician are an awesome unit. (four are good too, not convinced better.)
- greatswords are mediocre. I often take 25 as a place to put my BSB. That unit size works okay, don't have to go all the way to 40 there.
- knights. I think if anything this is what I would get more of. a typical knight-heavy list would be two units of five and one unit of 10-12 for the characters. also model enough musicians. units of 5-6 with musician are supremely useful.
- pistoliers. they are not bad for getting in the way of things. just don't expect them to kill anything (or live too long). you can do fine without
- pegasus captain are neat. pretty similar to small knight units in function. but not something you can buy off the shelf at GW

In general, if you can't stomach painting a buff wagon, I would go more towards knights than state troops. Did I mention units of 5-6 knights are awesome? can't say that often enough...

gorfung Senior Member Posts: 274	Knoffles Empire lists Oct 21, 2020 18:20:40 GMT knoffles and strutsagget like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by gorfung on Oct 21, 2020 18:20:40 GMT knights are indeed awesome.....but i might be a little byast as i have through no fault of my own accumulated around 220 of the little fellows....

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Knoffles Empire lists Oct 21, 2020 21:04:31 GMT via mobile Naitsabes and strutsagget like this

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Post by knoffles on Oct 21, 2020 21:04:31 GMT

Naitsabes, I should have added I have the engineer on mechanical steed (not that I’ll ever use it) and the old marauder empire hero on Pegasus. He’s just in my Bretonnian box so I forgot about him! Cheers for the feedback.

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Knoffles Empire lists Oct 27, 2020 15:44:52 GMT knoffles and strutsagget like this

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Post by fingolfin78 on Oct 27, 2020 15:44:52 GMT

I haven't played enough in eighth to make strong statements on gameplay (trying to rectify that), but perusing these boards, I think there is some disagreement (as always) on effectiveness of different units. Can't remember on which thread, but some have found flagellants to be quite effective in eighth. I know I loved them back in 4th edition when they had 4 toughness. They got downgrades subsequently, but I really want them to be effective, because I really want to field them as I really love their fluff and the models. I have 46 now and will be fielding a hoard asap. Flagellants along with Warrior Priests and Witch Hunters are the reason I love the Empire! GW models are good, but some non-GW models are pretty awesome too. I recently picked up these two and they are both really good quality.
avatars-of-war.com/sh/en/empire-of-men/58-inquisitor-with-pistols.html He is very tall, but I think that's awesome for an intimidating, somewhat sinister character like a witch hunter.
www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/empire/67-ego-te-absolvo-monje-guerrero.html It says "amen" on his hammer! Smash!

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Knoffles Empire lists Nov 13, 2020 3:42:19 GMT knoffles and strutsagget like this

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Post by TheRealGIB on Nov 13, 2020 3:42:19 GMT

I will forever stand the Van Horstmans on a Warrior Priest. It provides a pretty hard challenge for many beater characters at a fraction of their price. If you can find the points to slide it in, it will be well worth it. I like the list overall, and do agree on the previous Flagellant points. I might split those 10 outriders however, as it doesn't look like you will be winning the drop fight anyways, and will provide you both more flexibility and protect them, as an enemy will have to split shooting between your squishy, expensive outriders. Out of curiosity, what is the color scheme you are going with?

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Post by knoffles on Nov 14, 2020 19:06:58 GMT

TheRealGIB I’m not 100% sure on colours. I saw a great purple and white scheme the other day. I’ve not used much purple before so it’s a thought.
I suppose I should research the provinces first and then make a decision. I do love the city of talabheim due to it being built in a massive crater and the providence having one of the few Countesses. If memory serves they are more red and white (I do have the Empire fluff book that has all the colours and standards etc. so I’ll have to take a look at that).
My main issue is I hate painting white!

I’ve also seen a great yellow and black scheme (averland?).

I just don’t know enough about some of the provinces.

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Post by knoffles on Nov 14, 2020 19:16:04 GMT

Oh and I ended up getting 20 greatswords, 5 pistoliers and a hurricanum to add to the list. I’ll definitely be picking up the flagellents next as I’ve decided I just really like the variety in the models.

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Knoffles Empire lists Nov 19, 2020 8:26:54 GMT knoffles likes this

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Nov 14, 2020 19:06:58 GMT knoffles said:

My main issue is I hate painting white!

I’ve also seen a great yellow and black scheme (averland?).

I just don’t know enough about some of the provinces.

Painting white is indeed a challenge! That is why when I started long ago, I stayed away from the Striland River patrol which I like fluff wise.

Averland is indeed yellow and black.

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Post by gorfung on Oct 21, 2020 18:20:40 GMT

Post by knoffles on Oct 21, 2020 21:04:31 GMT

Post by fingolfin78 on Oct 27, 2020 15:44:52 GMT

Post by TheRealGIB on Nov 13, 2020 3:42:19 GMT

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Post by novogord on Nov 19, 2020 8:26:54 GMT