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thezildo
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2400 TK List Mar 28, 2021 15:58:22 GMT grandmasterwang likes this

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Post by thezildo on Mar 28, 2021 15:58:22 GMT

I’m new to Tomb Kings and just started building an army. Want to try the Khalida army first but wanted to check with you guys on thoughts about it

++ Standard (Tomb Kings - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.4.) [2,400pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)

+ Lords +

High Queen Khalida [365pts]: AB - The Venom Staff

Liche High Priest [280pts]: Hierophant, Lore of Nehekhara, Wizard Level 4
. Magic Items: AB - Enkhil's Kanopi, BRB - Talisman of Preservation

+ Heroes +

Tomb Prince [147pts]: Shields
. Magic Items: BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Ironcurse Icon, BRB - Obsidian Amulet

+ Core +

Skeleton Archers [450pts]: Champion, Musician, 70x Skeleton Archers, Standard Bearer

Skeleton Horse Archers [80pts]: Musician, 5x Skeleton Horse Archers

Skeleton Horse Archers [80pts]: Musician, 5x Skeleton Horse Archers

+ Special +

Necropolis Knights [355pts]: Champion, Musician, 5x Necropolis Knights, Standard Bearer

Tomb Guard [333pts]: 23x Tomb Guard
. Champion
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: AB - Standard of the Undying Legion

+ Rare +

Casket of Souls [135pts]

Hierotitan [175pts]

++ Total: [2,400pts] ++

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Khalida and the Liche Priest (corner) would be in with the archers with the hierotitan would be next to the Liche priest and the necropolis knights next to the hierotitan so restless dead can reach them, even for the one wound restored per spell. Tomb guard with the prince would be on the opposite side of the archers and with the standard of the undying legion they can resurrect themselves instead of needing to rely on the Liche priest to do so. Horse archers would run around as chaff. So in an ideal world, set up would look something like this:

necropolis knights>hierotitan>archers(Liche priest on left corner, Khalida next to her)>Tomb Guard w/Prince. Casket is tucked in a corner somewhere out of sight and skeleton archers scout/vanguard to go off and die extra early.

This list is most likely going to be lining up against high elves and empire. Could face dwarves also but would switch out the obsidian amulet and make adjustments to get stalkers in the list. Thoughts for this?

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2400 TK List Mar 28, 2021 21:13:37 GMT

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Post by gregwarhamsters on Mar 28, 2021 21:13:37 GMT

You'll lose badly.

The Queen - and don't get me wrong TK are my favourite army but even with a 4+ to hit on 24" you've not got enough stopping power to defeat any army with a half decent armour save.

I like the special and rare, not sure about the HLP (no dispel scroll which is better than the Kanopi) I don't get the rules around the Queen, counts as a Tomb King but doesn't have the Kings rules because shes a Queen. Seriously?

Quick look at the archers. In an ideal world say you get 70 shots off. 50% Hit so 35. Against T3 you're looking at 17 wounds. Now If youre shooting at hordes with a 5+ save you'll get 12 kills but on a horde will they care? If it's against Empire knights you'll kill 3.

Why am I so against the Khalida list, well if (in your case) you went 35 wide then you could shuffle and get both ranks at 24" if it's anything else you may not be able to volly fire and anythng less then maximum just isn't going to get results quickly enough.

you fire at 24" He moves forward 8" you retreat 2" restricted fire. He moves 8" forward, again you retreat 2" restricted fire again. He then attempts a 12" charge... you cannot stand and shoot.

And this is only against one unit, have you killed over 1000 points at this stage?

Regards

Greg

Don't be put off, I just don't see the value in Khalida.

Bret/Dwarf/Lizardmen/Tomb King/Wood elf/Vampire counts - Purest of 8th.

thezildo
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2400 TK List Mar 28, 2021 21:37:54 GMT

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Post by thezildo on Mar 28, 2021 21:37:54 GMT

Hmm... yeah I guess the hierotitan being the only thing above S4 is a bit of an issue. Most of my opponents don’t use horde formation. It’s like they are scared of it or something. Empire player does love his cavalry so the armor saves would be a problem for me. I will likely still try this out vs HE but switch around for empire. Thanks for your input. What’s your take on the standard of the undying legion? Not sure if it is worth it or not.

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2400 TK List Mar 30, 2021 9:03:30 GMT grandmasterwang and thezildo like this

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Post by lordofskullpass on Mar 30, 2021 9:03:30 GMT

Mar 28, 2021 21:37:54 GMT thezildo said:

What’s your take on the standard of the undying legion? Not sure if it is worth it or not.

I don't think it's worth it personally. For ages I thought it simply gave you D6 + 2 models through the Restless Dead lore attribute rather than the normal D3+1, which would have been beautiful, but somehow I had always overlooked the fact that it's a bound spell that requires you to cast it separately. While TK are great at dominating with magic, one more spell to cast is just going to divide up your power dice further and increase the chances of your opponent dispelling most or all of your spells.

With regards to your Strength problem, I vote you take a Warsphinx because it's great against large infantry units - Thundercrush slaughters massed ranks of infantry and T8 means you're going to laugh off any attacks back.

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2400 TK List Mar 30, 2021 11:49:15 GMT grandmasterwang and thezildo like this

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Post by livewaaaaagh on Mar 30, 2021 11:49:15 GMT

Love me some TKs!

So af ew quick thoughts: 1- I've personally never played Khalida list because I don't have her model, nor do I have 50+ Archer models. As a result, I've never tried it and can't speak to how good/bad it is. The problem they're going to run into are good armor saves. Even if you poison, you're going to need a lot to get through Empire Knights with their 1+ or 2+ (can't recall) save.

If you're open to tailoring a bit per enemy, Tomb Guard (in larger numbers than 23) with a halberd and AP banner will eat through Empire infantry and cavalry. They're slow though, so you need to watch to not get flanked by the much faster cavalry. I play the undying legion banner every now and then, and in particular if I have casket + hierotitan + 2LPs channeling. MEaning, I'm going to have enough dice and spells to draw out dispel dice. It's not great, but it has helped me keep the TG block alive at times. But again, only makes sense if you're fielding 30-35+.

For Elves, chariots are big wins because of the impact hits they can cause and the Elves' low T. 2 Chariot units + TPs can do some damage (or a big unit, too). Archers are good too here because Elves don't normally have a strong armor save. Yoiu can also bring TG here but Sword and board is better in this case, most likely as an anvil in the middle.

Sphinx would be good vs Elves, not so good vs Empire due to cannons.

I love Necro Knights and they work great in almost any list.

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2400 TK List Mar 30, 2021 15:59:20 GMT grandmasterwang likes this

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Post by thezildo on Mar 30, 2021 15:59:20 GMT

The HE player I go against LOVES to take shadow magic for pit of shades now. He had a good roll when I was playing ogres and took out my thundertusk on turn 1 before I even got to move and now he is set that it is the best spell ever. He has also learned to put the wizard in the unit with the banner of the world dragon so that he has a 2+ ward save vs any of the miscast effects and most of the time he has book of Hoeth on that wizard as well so that he can have an extra try at irresistible force/miscast. His tendencies with that make me cautious with bringing too many big things, especially with the slow tomb kings, because it will be hard to get there and target them. Should I use something with EBTS to disrupt them or is that too hit/miss to count on? I could just use my horsemen archers to scout/vanguard directly in front of the unit that wizard is in and bait them into charging me so the spells are limited they can cast, though I still think out of shades could be cast if the wizard is in combat since it is direct damage. Do any of you have a trick for hero hunting?