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Post by Morvael on May 22, 2021 10:08:56 GMT
Hi all... Can I get some input on this please at 2k. Going for a shooty list, with some mobile elements to mop up after. My archer core is set due to buying models but the rest is up in the air. Thoughts? ++ Standard (Wood Elves - Army Book (2014-5) -V8.8.0.) [1,993pts] +++ Lords +Spellweaver [295pts]: (BRB) Dispel Scroll, (BRB) Talisman of Preservation, Asrai Longbow, Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 4 + Heroes +Glade Captain [187pts]: (AB) Hail of Doom Arrow, (BRB) Enchanted Shield, Asrai Spear, Battle Standard . Great Eagle Waystalker [110pts]: (AB) The Bow of Loren + Core +Glade Guard [245pts]: Musician, Standard Bearer . 15x Glade Guard: 15x Hagbane Tips Glade Guard [255pts]. 15x Glade Guard: 15x Hagbane Tips . Musician . Standard Bearer: (BRB) Banner of Eternal Flame + Special +Warhawk Riders [145pts]: 3x Warhawk Riders, Wind Rider Wild Riders [198pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 6x Wild Riders: 6x Shields Wild Riders [198pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 6x Wild Riders: 6x Shields + Rare +Great Eagle [50pts]: Great Eagle Great Eagle [50pts]: Great Eagle Waywatchers [140pts]: 7x Waywatchers Waywatchers [120pts]: 6x Waywatchers ++ Total: [1,993pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by alionamongstmen on May 22, 2021 16:31:57 GMT
Hello, I used to play the avoidance army back in the day. To really be effective you want to min/max everything. Every shot counts. To that end all the extra gear on the characters and extra banners and stuff would have to go. At 2500 I used to run bare bones heros, just a Lv 4 shadow with a Scroll and a bsb with bodkins and HODA. If the get into trouble just use Steed of Shadows to move them out of harm's way. Keeping the core as is I'd look at: Lv 4 Shadoweaver - Dispel Scroll 245 Captain - BSB, Bodkins, HODA 135 15 GG - Musician, Standard, Standard of Discipline, Trueflight Arrows 260 */I am 99% sure that BoEF does not stack with magic arrows/* 15 GG - Musician, Standard, Trueflight Arrows 245 10 Scouts - Hagbane Tips 160 10 Scouts - Hagbane Tips 160 5 Wild Riders - Shields 140 5 Wild Riders - Shields 140 Eagle 50 Eagle 50 10 Waywatchers 200 10 Waywatchers 200 That's 1985 if I did my math right, 15 points left for some trinkets or probably just another GG. Good luck and have fun  |
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Post by Morvael on May 22, 2021 17:55:37 GMT
Hello, I used to play the avoidance army back in the day. To really be effective you want to min/max everything. Every shot counts. To that end all the extra gear on the characters and extra banners and stuff would have to go. At 2500 I used to run bare bones heros, just a Lv 4 shadow with a Scroll and a bsb with bodkins and HODA. If the get into trouble just use Steed of Shadows to move them out of harm's way. Keeping the core as is I'd look at: Lv 4 Shadoweaver - Dispel Scroll 245 Captain - BSB, Bodkins, HODA 135 15 GG - Musician, Standard, Standard of Discipline, Trueflight Arrows 260 */I am 99% sure that BoEF does not stack with magic arrows/* 15 GG - Musician, Standard, Trueflight Arrows 245 10 Scouts - Hagbane Tips 160 10 Scouts - Hagbane Tips 160 5 Wild Riders - Shields 140 5 Wild Riders - Shields 140 Eagle 50 Eagle 50 10 Waywatchers 200 10 Waywatchers 200 That's 1985 if I did my math right, 15 points left for some trinkets or probably just another GG. Good luck and have fun Would you go as low as 5 on the riders? |
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Post by alionamongstmen on May 22, 2021 19:49:58 GMT
Yeah, just hide them until you're ready to set up a charge. You could drop the standard of Discipline and buy 2 more gg for your bunker, get 2 more shots in. 73 shots a turn backed by Shadow and the HODA will clear a table, Riders just clean up. It's a fun army once you get some practice in |
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Post by knoffles on May 23, 2021 7:58:00 GMT
It looks fine. Note that the banner of eternal flame will only work in combat if your archers have magic arrows. When shooting, the archers will only get poisoned attacks, not poison and flaming. I’m not near my book to quote you the exact brb page but i made this mistake once. If you are worried about regen creatures, run one of the glade guard units with no magic arrows and just the flaming banner. I also don’t know what you are likely to face, but I’d consider running one of the Glade guard with trueflight. With your current list having two units of 15 guard, you could change it so you have 3 units of 10. One with hagbane, one with trueflight and one with no magic arrows but the flaming banner Edit alionamongstmen was right about the banner. I didn’t see his post until I did mine |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 23, 2021 9:06:38 GMT
BRB p. 69: "Unless otherwise stated, a model with this special rule has both Flaming shooting and close combat attacks (though any spells cast by the model are unaffected, as are any attacks made with magic weapons they might be wielding)." And although enchanted arrows are enchanted items (with all that that entails  ), "All Shooting attacks made with enchanted arrows count as having been made with magic weapons" (Wood Elves AB p.37). |
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Post by strutsagget on May 23, 2021 9:10:30 GMT
The list looks fine.
I prefer smaller GG units except the bunker, 10 with poison and musician.
Bunker I keep with true flight in a free wood in the back and then I prefer 20 and musician, banner is ok for banner scenario(+1 LD is good). 7x3 with mage.
I don’t prefer command on the riders as it is not needed, no musician because of free reform and immune to psychology so cant flee or ff. Banner seldom needed(if room banner of eternal flame against regen is good here). Champion is good(10p of a s5 attack is pretty cheap) if you have room or need a someone to take a challenge from a captain on steed. By keeping them cheap and expandable they almost always make their value back. Shields are good. 5 are great unit size but if playing mor aggressive and screening 6-7 is fine too. Then you can loose 2-3 too shooting and still make a huge impact.
Try it out and see how it goes.
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Post by Morvael on May 23, 2021 9:44:06 GMT
Thanks guys, I've settled on the below for now, just as something to purchase towards ✌️ ++ Standard (Wood Elves - Army Book (2014-5) -V8.8.0.) [2,000pts] +++ Lords +Spellweaver [250pts]: (BRB) Dispel Scroll, Asrai Longbow, Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 4 + Heroes +Glade Captain [110pts]: (AB) Hail of Doom Arrow, Asrai Spear, Hagbane Tips + Core +Glade Guard [260pts]: Musician, Standard Bearer . 16x Glade Guard: 16x Hagbane Tips Glade Guard [260pts]: Musician, Standard Bearer . 16x Glade Guard: 16x Hagbane Tips + Special +Deepwood Scouts [180pts]: Musician, Standard Bearer . 10x Deepwood Scouts: 10x Hagbane Tips Deepwood Scouts [180pts]: Musician, Standard Bearer . 10x Deepwood Scouts: 10x Hagbane Tips Wild Riders [170pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 5x Wild Riders: 5x Shields Wild Riders [170pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 5x Wild Riders: 5x Shields + Rare +Great Eagle [50pts]: Great Eagle Great Eagle [50pts]: Great Eagle Waywatchers [160pts]: 8x Waywatchers Waywatchers [160pts]: 8x Waywatchers ++ Total: [2,000pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by strutsagget on May 23, 2021 10:57:17 GMT
If you remove 4 banners then you can fit 2 more way watchers.
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), "All Shooting attacks made with enchanted arrows count as having been made with magic weapons" (Wood Elves AB p.37). 