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Post by lordofskullpass on Aug 18, 2021 15:47:16 GMT
Hello once again fellow EEFLers! Based upon some initial feedback from members about my Albion army list plus some of my own additions and alterations, I have released a second draft of my own take on an Albion army list! knoffles admiral hivefleetmanticore chaosreigns as the main folk involved thus far, I'd love to hear what you think! drive.google.com/file/d/19x-78GNz1cxh-meY2KxiG0X0_e7OJbk-/view?usp=sharingHere's a brief summary of changes: - Spells in the Lore of Fate have been altered to make them less broken/less similar to spells in Lore of Heavens/more thematic
- Base sizes have now been added to make life easier for converters making their own models for some of the less accessible units and wondering what base to use
- A Battle Standard Bearer option has been included, with both Tribal Chieftains and Druids being eligible for the role
- The Ward Saves of Archbronze Armour and Shields combine with other Ward Saves to a maximum of 3+
- 'Release the Linebreakers!' has received some added clarification
- The 'Undisciplined' special rule has been renamed as 'Warrior's Bravado' and reworded to sound more positive. Leadership values of units that have it have been reduced to take account of the fact it's now a +2 bonus rather than a -2 penalty. Just a cosmetic change - it still works exactly as before just the opposite way.
- Vaia's Chariot of the Ages is no longer an Enchanted Magic Item (I originally modelled it after Settra's Chariot of the Gods, but given Vaia's chariot is just a mundane chariot, albeit a magnificently-crafted four-wheeled one, I've listed its abilities as a special rule rather than a Magic Item).
- Ogham Champions are 2 points more expensive, after I saw that with their Archbronze Armour and Shields they'd get a 3+ Ward Save even without upgrades
- Maiden Guard no longer have Devastating Charge (I found it wasn't appropriate for them - the usage of that rule for them was originally a bit of a rip-off from Mathias Eliasson's Swordmaidens, but my list's Maiden Guard have a completely different function), but Woad Warriors do as an additional means of differentiating them from ordinary Warriors
- Maiden Guard have the option to replace their shields with Archbronze ones
- Albion and Stag Chariots have a new rule allowing them to march but with a -1 penalty to the steeds' Movement when they do so. I only found out Chariots aren't allowed to march pretty recently, which is ridiculous - I know GW were trying to reflect the weight of the Chariot, but Chariots in ancient history were able to move slowly at a walk and quickly at a gallop, so they should have move and march speeds, just with a restriction on the Movement such as a -1 penalty to reflect the heavy weight of the cab. Anyway at least Albion Chariots can do it as per in Celtic history, which is good enough.
- Oracles may use the Lore of Shadow instead of the Lore of Light (Wanted another different lore in their arsenal to differentiate them from the Truthsayers, and Shadow can represent their ability to twist fate to confuse and terrify the enemy).
- Shieldbearers add 2 to a character's Wounds profile as well as armour, in the manner of Dwarf Shieldbearers, and Chieftains may take them as well as Overkings
- Carnyx of the Gods has had its rules rewritten to use the rarely-featured Hover special rule
And if you're new to this army, welcome to the tribe! Feel free to flick through this army list, offer your thoughts on tweaks and updates, and perhaps even start a new army with it! Though if you want to join us in fighting the Dark Master and preserving the Misty Isle for centuries to come, I suggest you read the reason why we are here, and the lore of the army: For a long time I've been avidly following the development of a certain Matt Klaas de Witte's interpretation of the island of Albion, as I think it's far better than the version GW developed in the Dark Shadows campaign of yesteryear. Additionally, for the past year-ish I have been developing my own unofficial army list for this version of Albion, so that those who are fed up of GW's cavemen and Matthias Eliasson's fantasy Highlanders can play an army of proper Iron Age Celts for a change, as the Celts were at their most powerful and advanced during the La Tene period, which could have lasted much longer had it not been for everyone's favourite Latin-speaking xenophobes and copycats bringing such new-fangled nonsense as 'discipline', 'uniform' and 'mass murder in gladiatorial arenas' to ancient Europe. Beyond the Old World and the 'civilised' lands of Bretonnia and the Empire lies the island of Albion, the birthplace of mankind. Those who travel there believe it is nothing more than an island of mists, bogs and ancient ruins, yet are oblivious to the fact that it is home to an advanced civilisation even older than the desert kingdoms of Nehekhara, who possess secrets taught to them by the Old Ones themselves. Proud tribal Overkings lead their people in a neverending war to not just survive, but thrive, against such abominations as the monstrous Fimir, barbarous Norse and, worst of all, the savage and bloodthirsty warriors enslaved by Be'lakor, the first Daemon Prince of Chaos. At the sonorous call of Carnyx warhorns, rank upon rank of brave, honourable warriors charge across the field, with nimble cavalry and deadly chariots sweeping along the flanks and mighty constructs infused with the power of the earth ploughing into the foe. The mystical wards of the Truthsayers and the divine predictions of the Oracles fuel the strength of their sword-wielding brethren, while the myriad shock troops of the island's tribes deal the hammer blow that crushes the enemy advance once and for all. While the colonies of humanity to the south languish in decadence, poverty and greed, the first of its nations battles endlessly to keep the world safe from the foul taint of Chaos. I look forward to seeing how this updated list fares in all your friendly games!  |
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Post by hivefleetmanticore on Aug 19, 2021 16:38:22 GMT
This is looking fantastic. One minor typo that I've spotted so far: The Maiden Guard don't have a base size listed for them. Also, one question: Is the Ward save from woad able to stack with other Ward saves? Currently it doesn't. I've also been meaning to say that I'm appreciating the subtle references, like to the Shield of Seabatter.  |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Aug 19, 2021 18:46:42 GMT
This is looking fantastic. One minor typo that I've spotted so far: The Maiden Guard don't have a base size listed for them. Also, one question: Is the Ward save from woad able to stack with other Ward saves? Currently it doesn't. Both of these have been amended, thanks for pointing them out - the list should have updated itself in the same place in my Google Drive to include these additions. I've also been meaning to say that I'm appreciating the subtle references, like to the Shield of Seabatter.  I was wondering if anyone would find any of these references - I wanted to really rip off Ancient British artefacts and culture to properly ground Albion in Ancient British History, just as GW have done with the Empire and Bretonnia for Renaissance Germany and Medieval France/King Arthur respectively. The fact you got this reference proves you're a true scholar of the Ancient Britons, like myself. I salute you sir! |
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Post by hivefleetmanticore on Aug 19, 2021 19:31:07 GMT
Both of these have been amended, thanks for pointing them out - the list should have updated itself in the same place in my Google Drive to include these additions. Great! Thank you. I'll check those out. The fact you got this reference proves you're a true scholar of the Ancient Britons, like myself. I salute you sir! Well, thank you! As it happens, I am actually a professional medieval historian. A couple of other questions: Is there meant to be a cost associated with the upgrades to the Fenbeasts? Or can they take any (or all) for free? I suspect the former. Also, what is the intended movement rate and so forth for the Mastiffs and Handlers? Currently under 8th ed. rules it would be 4. WAP has a Mixed Unit rule that would allow the unit to be faster, but the nearest equivalent in 8th is the Monster and Handlers rule. I'd almost be tempted to suggest making this unit a Skirmisher one? |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Aug 20, 2021 13:56:33 GMT
The fact you got this reference proves you're a true scholar of the Ancient Britons, like myself. I salute you sir! Well, thank you! As it happens, I am actually a professional medieval historian. Nice! And I take it you must also have an interest in the ancient side of things? Certainly in my case it's a huge interest of mine, but wasn't able to pursue it as a possible career because my school only offered crappy Modern World history for GCSE and I felt the tech industry would have more job opportunities anyway. Nevertheless I still research Celtic history a lot and have been gathering hidden knowledge from as many sources as possible and putting it all together to find out what is most likely to be the truth. A couple of other questions: Is there meant to be a cost associated with the upgrades to the Fenbeasts? Or can they take any (or all) for free? I suspect the former. Yes, it is the former, thanks for pointing this out. Somehow I'd completely forgotten to add the options for these. Also, what is the intended movement rate and so forth for the Mastiffs and Handlers? Currently under 8th ed. rules it would be 4. WAP has a Mixed Unit rule that would allow the unit to be faster, but the nearest equivalent in 8th is the Monster and Handlers rule. I'd almost be tempted to suggest making this unit a Skirmisher one? Amended this now too, I've altered the Hunting Pack and Wild Dogs special rules to use the Handlers' movement while they are alive and for the dogs to use their own Movement if the Handlers die. |
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Post by hivefleetmanticore on Aug 20, 2021 17:23:35 GMT
Nice! And I take it you must also have an interest in the ancient side of things? Actually, my research speciality is the crusades from the Muslim point of view, but I teach a whole range of topics and have hence learned a lot about other things. Teaching is the best way to learn stuff. Yes, it is the former, thanks for pointing this out. Somehow I'd completely forgotten to add the options for these. Amended this now too, I've altered the Hunting Pack and Wild Dogs special rules to use the Handlers' movement while they are alive and for the dogs to use their own Movement if the Handlers die. You're very welcome. If I come across anything else, I'll mention it. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Aug 21, 2021 15:11:08 GMT
Yes, it is the former, thanks for pointing this out. Somehow I'd completely forgotten to add the options for these. Amended this now too, I've altered the Hunting Pack and Wild Dogs special rules to use the Handlers' movement while they are alive and for the dogs to use their own Movement if the Handlers die. You're very welcome. If I come across anything else, I'll mention it. [/quote] Thanks, and in the meantime I look forward to seeing your army lists and models! |
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Post by hivefleetmanticore on Aug 27, 2021 22:38:31 GMT
Okay, here is what Mr Chaosreigns and I have come up with. As a note, we play mostly WFB8 rules, but with some parts (e.g. magic, combat resolution, psychology) replaced by the WAP rules, so this may not exactly match what people playing "pure" WFB8 might expect. We're also using End Times rules (allowing for lots of Lords and Heroes): Total: 2499 ptsLords: Circle Truthsayer (General) - 580 pts Level 4 Wizard Woad Paint Henge Chariot Golden Sickle of Fetagix (presumably made by his friend Mulliautofatix) Wrenmark Charm Headhunter - 269 pts Archbronze Armour Woad Paint Sword of Swift Slaying Talisman of Protection Roth Ramach (Arabyan Carpet) Heroes:Tribal Chieftain - 158 pts Archbronze Shield Archbronze Armour Battle Standard Bearer - Staghorn Standard Core:Warriors of Albion - 272 pts 26 Warriors Standard - Heads of the Foe Musician 3 Linebreakers Albion Chariots - 155 pts 3 Chariots Woad Paint Standard - Heads of the Foe Albion Chariots - 155 pts 3 Chariots Woad Paint Standard - Heads of the Foe Mastiff Pack - 26 pts 3 Mastiffs 1 Handler Mastiff Pack - 26 pts 3 Mastiffs 1 Handler Special:
Tribal Nobles - 293 pts 23 Nobles Standard - Heads of the Foe Musician Bardiguard Manolith - 225 pts Rare:
Fenbeasts - 340 pts 5 Fenbeasts Lifebloom Silt I'm very much looking forward to building this army and trying it out. Thank you very much again for creating such a great list! |
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Post by admiral on Sept 20, 2021 10:32:30 GMT
Great going, lordofskullpass ! I'll read it through in days or weeks ahead (unless swamped by work) and share whatever thoughts pop up (do not be shy to poke me if you don't hear anything for long). Shall I forward it to Matt de Witte? I'll also show it to my brother. He's a lot better with rules and army lists than I am, so he might even have ruleswriting suggestions to share. Cheers! |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Sept 28, 2021 15:02:38 GMT
Great going, lordofskullpass ! I'll read it through in days or weeks ahead (unless swamped by work) and share whatever thoughts pop up (do not be shy to poke me if you don't hear anything for long). Shall I forward it to Matt de Witte? I'll also show it to my brother. He's a lot better with rules and army lists than I am, so he might even have ruleswriting suggestions to share. Cheers! Hey there mate, thanks for the kind words! I'll email it to Matt as he provided his email a while back (I've just been particularly busy with my first job to do so right now) but I'd love to hear what your brother thinks of my army list, do get him to make a post here if he wishes to chip in or post his response in one of your own posts. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Jan 16, 2022 9:10:36 GMT
hivefleetmanticore Finally I’ve had a minute to analyse your army list! Apologies for such a long delay! Okay, here is what Mr Chaosreigns and I have come up with. As a note, we play mostly WFB8 rules, but with some parts (e.g. magic, combat resolution, psychology) replaced by the WAP rules, so this may not exactly match what people playing "pure" WFB8 might expect. We're also using End Times rules (allowing for lots of Lords and Heroes): Interesting that your group is playing a hybrid of 8th Edition and the WAP 9th rules, I’ve looked through the summary of changes Eliasson put up on his website and a fair bit of it is better than I thought, with the Horde rule being kicked out, sub-factions being introduced, channelling being more effective, more of a control over Ward Saves, charging having more of a bonus, and unit strength returning to determine whether a unit panics or not and affecting the results of combat resolution. However, not all of it is good - Bound Spells are still pretty poor, not only do ASF units still have that silly re-roll rule but ASL units now have to re-roll successful hit rolls, making Great Weapon troops even weaker, the majority of magic items are still common to all races rather than faction-unique (which I thought was a step backwards on GW’s part), and being able to shoot into combat (I thought AOS was stupid enough for allowing such a rule to be introduced, I certainly can’t bear the idea of Fantasy having such a silly rule as well). Nevertheless I like your idea of just combining the best bits of different Editions to get an ‘ultimate’ edition, I’m thinking of possibly doing that with 7th and 8th. Total: 2499 ptsLords: Circle Truthsayer (General) - 580 pts Level 4 Wizard Woad Paint Henge Chariot Golden Sickle of Fetagix Wrenmark Charm Makes sense that you’d want to include the End Times Lord and Heroes rules just to include this lad. I’m really looking forward to seeing how you convert a Henge Chariot - I trust you’ve seen Mr de Witte’s illustration? Which Lore are you giving your Circle Truthsayer? Given I’m aiming for Albion to be a magically powerful force, choosing your lore wisely will help this happen. (presumably made by his friend Mulliautofatix) Touché! It feels so satisfying when one witnesses another getting a subtle but intelligent joke based off relatively obscure material like Asterix Headhunter - 269 pts Archbronze Armour Woad Paint Sword of Swift Slaying Talisman of Protection Roth Ramach (Arabyan Carpet) Had to look this reference up, while my list is oriented towards Brythonic Celts, I’d still be interested to see how you convert a mythological Irish flying machine! I also get the feeling that knoffles’ favourite Doombull build influenced your choice of Magic Items...  Heroes:Tribal Chieftain - 158 pts Archbronze Shield Archbronze Armour Battle Standard Bearer - Staghorn Standard A BSB is always handy, while I’d like to think my Albion list does have above-average morale, it will certainly help mitigate the risk of units failing their first Leadership test and losing their Warriors’ Bravado rule. The Ward Save stacking from the Archbronze equipment will certainly keep him alive long enough to do his job well, and I’m looking forward to seeing the carnage an Albion unit buffed by the Staghorn Standard can inflict. Core:Warriors of Albion - 272 pts 26 Warriors Standard - Heads of the Foe Musician 3 Linebreakers I’m most pleased to see there are no hordes in your army, I’m really not keen on 8th Edition’s obsession with them, in particular with the most likely candidate for a horde, the bog-standard Warriors. 26 is a nice number, and putting a character in there would take the unit up to 27 which would make a lovely 9x3 formation. Heads of the Foe of course is a pretty good choice, giving the unit Fear will give them a chance of nerfing the enemy to WS 1 while simultaneously removing the need for them to test for the same nerf against Monstrous Infantry, and stops them from running away from any monsters they may come to fight. I’m proud of that mechanic. Albion Chariots - 155 pts 3 Chariots Woad Paint Standard - Heads of the Foe Albion Chariots - 155 pts 3 Chariots Woad Paint Standard - Heads of the Foe Two Chariot squadrons on the flanks will definitely add some manoeuvrability to the force, particularly as Albion Chariots can march (it was only very recently I discovered that silly rule stopping most Chariots from marching, and couldn’t let that affect the famously manoeuvrable Celtic Chariots). Mastiff Pack - 26 pts 3 Mastiffs 1 Handler Mastiff Pack - 26 pts 3 Mastiffs 1 Handler I couldn’t help laughing when seeing these units. I can just see ‘Mastiff darts’ being an auto-take chaff option now... Special:
Tribal Nobles - 293 pts 23 Nobles Standard - Heads of the Foe Musician Bardiguard Tribal Nobles will certainly be a good bunker to stick your BSB in and their Chosen Men rule will help keep the ordinary Warriors and Charioteers in line and their Leadership at peak condition. Another model I’m looking forward to seeing you either convert or find a suitable proxy model for. Got any ideas currently? Rare:
Fenbeasts - 340 pts 5 Fenbeasts Lifebloom Silt Ah, the classic Fenbeasts. I take it you’ll be scouring Mierce’s website for these (when they’re on special offer of course), or were you lucky enough to either nab some GW ones going unusually affordably on EBay or an alternative made by another company that’s as good as the Mierce ones? I'm very much looking forward to building this army and trying it out. Thank you very much again for creating such a great list! You’re most welcome pal, I’m certainly looking forward to seeing you build and paint this list, and test it in battle against official armies!
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Post by hivefleetmanticore on Jan 31, 2022 0:23:58 GMT
hivefleetmanticore Finally I’ve had a minute to analyse your army list! Apologies for such a long delay! No worries. Sorry for my own delay in responding. The forum seems to be a bit inconsistent in sending out notifications, so I didn't see this message immediately. Makes sense that you’d want to include the End Times Lord and Heroes rules just to include this lad. I’m really looking forward to seeing how you convert a Henge Chariot - I trust you’ve seen Mr de Witte’s illustration? Which Lore are you giving your Circle Truthsayer? Given I’m aiming for Albion to be a magically powerful force, choosing your lore wisely will help this happen. I've seen Mr de Witte's illustration, and will be taking it as inspiration, though I'm going in a slightly different direction with it. *smiles mysteriously* My truthsayer is taking the Lore of Beasts. There's all sorts of fun to be had in that set of spells. Roth Ramach - I’d still be interested to see how you convert a mythological Irish flying machine! I'll be aiming for something fairly simple and subdued, to fit on a 20mm base. I'm sure you are aware that there are all sorts of theories out there about Roth Ramach, including those who think it was a UFO... Heads of the Foe of course is a pretty good choice, giving the unit Fear will give them a chance of nerfing the enemy to WS 1 while simultaneously removing the need for them to test for the same nerf against Monstrous Infantry, and stops them from running away from any monsters they may come to fight. I’m proud of that mechanic. It's a great mechanic! For me, Heads of the Foe is an auto-take across the board as far as possible. Most of my army causing fear? Yes please! I can just see ‘Mastiff darts’ being an auto-take chaff option now... I'm happy to amuse. I confess that I've swapped them out recently for a unit of tribesmen with bows (actually, tribeswomen, since I have some suitably nifty models in the army that I bought). They'll be doubling as archers for my Saga Valkyrie warband too. Manolith - Another model I’m looking forward to seeing you either convert or find a suitable proxy model for. Got any ideas currently? Yes, I have this chap from Reaper hanging around demanding to be included in the army. Fenbeasts. I take it you’ll be scouring Mierce’s website for these (when they’re on special offer of course), or were you lucky enough to either nab some GW ones going unusually affordably on EBay or an alternative made by another company that’s as good as the Mierce ones? I got some Mierce ones in the army when I bought it, so I'm feeling lucky. |
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