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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Jan 14, 2023 12:53:50 GMT
Seen some YTers whinging about people hating on it - but for once I jump on the hate train without much thought. I don´t think it is uncalled for.. GW fakked WFB due to greed (upping the models needed, lowering the numbers in boxes and raising prices) - and then dropping the system and shitting on many loyal fans that had been there for ages. It is not uncalled for.. I am usually not that hostile against something just because reasons.. But out of principle I will never play that tr.. Game. And it pisses me off when people wave off the "hate" as just being silly. No. The Old World is a really deep and well developed world with not just WFB but all the specialist games. Shitting on it and its many, long-loyal fans is beyond trash. It is pouring salt into the wounds dropping a trash, dumbed down system with often uglier models. An Orc-hating dwarf would blush if he saw me.. F U C K Age of Trashmar. That should feed the Shamans a bit too for some boosted spells..
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Post by Darnok on Jan 14, 2023 20:34:23 GMT
Eh, I doubt all this hate is worth it, or will change anybodies attitude to either game for the better.
As for when TOW is finally out: I really hope GW will do the sensible thing and do cross-sales of any AoS sculpt that could even remotely be fielded in an Old World army. All things Squig come to mind first, but there are many more models that can (already) be easily incorporated into WHF armies, and I believe GW should support this.
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Jan 14, 2023 21:19:37 GMT
Gotta give it to the Da Stunties, keeping a grudge is healthy (-ish). But I can´t stand AoS - and the more stupid fan bois. GW failed, hard with WFB and it had consequences for fans..
Thought about that too.. I wonderhow they would do that. More boxes, of the same thing but other bases would be horrible.. Include both types of bases is probably better, rebrand the boxes slightly? Sure, costs more for GW but the massive cost of boxes these days... Yeah.. Both bases should at the very least be included..
i´m more worried about the rumours about base sizez, that some will change. I ain´t rebasing anything. But i guess that can be fixed kinda easy with movement trays, if the bases gets bigger on some..
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Post by vulcan on Jan 15, 2023 0:47:29 GMT
I love this AoS hate, feed me more! Nom nom nom. 🌚 Well, you go ahead and enjoy your checkers, the grognards here miss our chess.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jan 15, 2023 6:03:36 GMT
Now see GW do something to make us all rage with the infantry all on 30 x 30mm squares to try make us rebase again.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Jan 15, 2023 6:24:50 GMT
Now see GW do something to make us all rage with the infantry all on 30 x 30mm squares to try make us rebase again. Can you imagine?!? Hahaha. They would instantly tank their game.
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Post by Darnok on Jan 15, 2023 7:35:00 GMT
I am not aware of any rumours regarding a change of base size - but lots of doomtalk and "rumours". Has anything substantial slipped under my radar?
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Post by luke82 on Jan 15, 2023 9:18:01 GMT
I think it’s mostly speculation based on the fact that GW minis are bigger these days and have maybe outgrown 20s and 25s. It would strangle the game in the cradle if they bumped up bases I think though.
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Post by sedge on Jan 15, 2023 10:26:46 GMT
Some stuff will inevitably get bigger bases, but probably only the way that it happened over 7th/8th as new plastic versions of monsters were released that got the chariot base (or bigger) instead of their previous 50mm squares.
I wouldn't mind if some foot characters got bigger bases that allowed things like hulking great Orc Warbosses to have models that better reflect their size, but could still rank up in their units - so a 50mm square in that case.
But I doubt they'll change regular infantry units from their existing 20mm and 25mm square bases, because GW has already shown they can design outstanding looking kits that fit on those base sizes.
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Jan 16, 2023 17:57:17 GMT
Yeah I picked it up froma couple of rumours-discussion YT.videos. And it is second or third hand specualtion so.. But it probably comes from that that some models might come from Age of Sigmar but as they were designed for that, they might not rank up well on 20 and 25mm square ones?
I recently ranked up 10 sqguigs and those can be done, but it is not straight forward. There are worse models I think..?
It would be a massive bummer though, honestly. I am not fucking rebasing. And I am not fucking going out to BUY new fucking bases to rebase, tear apart the ones I put a lot of effort in. Then it is trays but I hope we don´t get much changed. As they said, we want you to be able to use your existing armies.. Yeah? Trying to to be alarmistic but I think it needs to be discussed.. they have done such things in the past and I dislike it..
I wonder how they would deal with stuff like Night Goblims/Gloomspite Gitz.. Surely it is not efficient having two boxes with the same shit. Supply us with both bases is the only real option, right? Which gives thema reason to raise the prices with five dollars, euros whatever.. lol....
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Post by thegoat on Jan 16, 2023 18:12:49 GMT
If new WH:TOW kits are on larger bases, I bet GW will just say "use the bases your models came with". So we should all be fine. The trouble comes if you try to mix new models with classic models in the same unit.
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Post by Darnok on Jan 16, 2023 18:47:27 GMT
So the fearmongering of some, repeated as "rumours" by others... i.e, the usual.
I am easy to worry and very creative in imagining the worst possible outcome of pretty much anything. For some reason I can not get anxious about this though. Maybe it is my stance of "if GW does something stupid I can always play any other edition of WHF", maybe I put too much faith in that statement of being able to use old armies.
Either way: I see no reason to get up in army already. Meanwhile I keep painting WHF stuff.
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Post by KevinC on Jan 16, 2023 19:02:41 GMT
I don't believe any of the negative rumors. Last year GW had to go on damage control from stupid rumors and clarified this game would be WFB, orcs called orcs, square bases etc.
Regarding base sizes, if they are different I'll just use appropriate movement trays...I'm not rebasing.
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Jan 16, 2023 19:08:58 GMT
I am glad you are optimistic. But GW has a history of doing things like this.. I had to rebase my orks. it is not just whinging, it is from costly, bitter expereince from a sometimes little too greedy company.. That also "forces" you to replace massive ammounts of bookes every few years.. I hope you are right but don´t trust them too much. If they can get away with it and make you pay more for such things, they will.Why? because they have done it before.
But I am not an uncritical fanboi swallowing up and defending all they do. I don´t think that is healthy. it is usually a sign of not being able to think for yourself.
I. Do. Not. Trust. Them. From bitter expereince and just waving away stuff like this like fan bois, defending all GW does is... Honestly sickening. yes it pisses me off that you just disregard it as roumours and alarmistic. Honestly I think you are naive dudes with a bad attitude. Bordering stupidif not stupid.
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Post by Luigino on Jan 16, 2023 20:01:27 GMT
I'm very, very thorn on this.
On one hand I could not care any less for what GW does or does not do with TOW; the game being discontinued did nothing to change what I was doing before. I was not buying stuff from GW before and I'm not going to be buying stuff from them after. My hobby has never been tied to what they did and I'm not going to start now.
On the other hand I do enjoy me some market manipulation brought on by people on the internet with nothing but time on their hands. so while I don't care for the rumours themselves I definitely find needlessly alarmistic ones most entertaining.
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