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Post by oldmandan on Feb 18, 2022 15:37:13 GMT
I'm drawing my conclusion from the fact that HoDA has a weapon profile and reqiores an Asrai longbow in order to be used which places it under the weapons list as a missile weapon.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 18, 2022 19:49:18 GMT
Except that that conclusion is not warranted. There are various attacks with a missile weapon profile that are not shooting attacks (like, as I pointed out before, Death Shriek), and the HODA expressis verbis "can be used instead of making a Shooting Attack with the Asrai's Longbow." As BRB 88 specifies: "a model cannot make a shooting attack unless he has a missile weapon of some kind - a bow, crossbow or sling perhaps." The HODA is not a missile weapon, it is an Enchanted Item. That is not to say an FAQ would not have clarified that it is a shooting attack; but, equally, it could have ruled that it is an special attack made in the Shooting phase.
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Post by oldmandan on Feb 19, 2022 11:17:10 GMT
A special attack in the shooting phase makes sense. With regards to the first part of your reply I was answering the previous post about why I had said what I had said. I never said HoDA was a weapon, I mearly referred to the fact that it required a model equipped with an Asrai longbow in order to be used and that it was in a similar vein to the enchanted arrows available to wood elves.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 19, 2022 11:41:07 GMT
I understood that, but perhaps did not make my point clear enough. To clarify: while the HODA can only be taken by a model with the Asrai LongbBow, it is used instead of the Longbow. So, contrary to the enchanted arrows, which are - indeed, must be - taken with the Asrai Longbow, if you use the HODA, you cannot use the Longbow, and vice versa.
But, as said before, I personally would prefer to treat any ranged attack in the Shooting phase as a shooting attack.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 20, 2022 7:51:40 GMT
On a side note: for a shooting attack, something like this would have sufficed:
Hail of Doom Arrow. Enchanted Item (enchanted arrows).
One use only. A model with the HoDA cannot take another Enchanted Item, except for one other type of enchanted arrows. Declare that the HoDA is being used before any dice are rolled.
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Post by oldmandan on Feb 20, 2022 12:00:32 GMT
OK, all I did was ask what the issue was on this thread and seeing as Wood elves are my main army answered their question. Please do not police how I post replies and answer questions on this forum.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Feb 21, 2022 8:53:12 GMT
OK, all I did was ask what the issue was on this thread and seeing as Wood elves are my main army answered their question. Please do not police how I post replies and answer questions on this forum. John 18: 23: “If I have spoken wrongly, testify to my error. But if I have spoken rightly, why did you strike me?” It may have escaped your notice, but this thread is a rules discussion. As such, it naturally will entail arguments pro and contra. When Crazy_Dokta earlier in this thread pointed out the error of our ways, he was not policing our posts, but doing us a favour. If you think a bona fide engagement based on factual, not ad hominem arguments falls under "policing posts," then, I am sorry, but this whole subforum would be a police forum.
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Post by Crazy_Dokta on Feb 21, 2022 9:48:56 GMT
I didn't understand everything here, damn.
So.
It has range, "shots" and S value (= "attack" innit?) maded in the shooting phase. There are no any "auto-hits" in the profile, so resolve any hits as normal. Any rules affecting the shooting (ranged) attacks apply here (Swordmaster' deflect/long range/cover/whatever).
It's something like: "Instead of making the shooting attack with Asrai bow <blablabla> you make the shooting attack with that profile <blablabla>".
Cheers. (And let's all get along, right?)
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