New Siege Equipment

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New Siege Equipment Jan 15, 2022 9:42:35 GMT KevinC, thegoat, and 1 more like this

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For siege battles, our group uses the siege rules from Blood in the Badlands with a lot of house rules of our own (as I wrote in the Siege of Babenheim thread, we mixed it with the rules for destroying buildings that you can find in the Raze and Ruin scenario).

In the Blood in the Badlans books, you are encouraged to invent siege equipment on page 91:

"Inventing your own Siege equipment

The list of siege equipment we included in this article is very limited [...] creative groups of players can have a lot of fun expanding on what we've included here."

So that's what we did - a lot.

A few examples here:

ATTACKER'S SIEGE EQUIPMENT

Acrobatic Pyramid (300 points per unit)

Lizardmen only.

This upgrade can be taken by Skink Cohorts and Skink Skirmishers. During the battle, those skinks will try to climb over one another and support each other in order to reach the top of a tower or a wall. When such a Skink unit is assaulting a fortress section, 15 models of the unit cannot participate in close combat as they are needed for the acrobatic pyramid. The Skinks that do participate, however, do not have their Weapon Skill and Initiative halved - they attack the fortress section normally. If you have less than 15 models in the unit left or you simply choose not to execute the pyramid (because you need more models in combat), none of this applies.

Demolition Fanatics / Demolition Mangler Squigs (100 per Fanatic, 250 per Mangler Squig)

Orcs & Goblins only.

Fanatics with this upgrade are still removed as casualties when conacting a building / fortress section, but the building as well as it occupiers suffer D6 Strength 5 hits with the Armour Piercing rule.

Mangler Squigs with this upgrade do not stop their movement 1 inch short of buildings / fortress sections, but are removed as a casualty when contacting a building. The building as well as it occupiers suffer 2D6 Strength 6 hits with the Armour Piercing rule.

Doom Engine (1600 for Chaos Dwarfs, 1800 for Daemons of Chaos and Warriors of Chaos, 2000 for Beastmen)

Beastmen, Daemons of Chaos, Chaos Dwarfs and Warriors of Chaos only.

This is a special kind of siege tower. The rules can be found in the Warhammer Rule Book for the 8th edition on page 426. In addition to these rules, the following also applies:

- Strength 5 or higher is needed to damage the Doom Engine.

- The Doom Engine has the special rule Flammable.

- The Doom Engine uses the movement rules for a normal siege tower from Blood in the Badlands.

- Its hits from the Grinder special rule are applied against buildings / fortress sections.

- A Doom Engine must not back away 1 inch from the building after the assault. Insteand, it is counted as a "connected fortress section" like a normal siege tower.

The Knights lead the Assault on the Fortress! (100)

Bretonnia only.

Any number of Knight characters can choose the Virtue of Empathy without additional cost.

Next is some new defender's siege equipment...

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DEFENDER'S SIEGE EQUIPMENT

Tower Upgrade: Altar of Khaine (400)

Dark Elves only.

A unit that occupies the tower has the Frenzy special rule. It loses the rule by leaving the tower, but not by losing a combat.

Stonebread (Half total siege points)

Dwarfs only.

All models in the fortress chosen from Warhammer Dwarfs only suffer a wound on a starvation roll of 6 (instead of 5+).

(Note: This wasn't invented by me - shortly after Blood in the Badlands came out, there was a battle report in the White Dwarf that used the new siege rules. The author explained that the Blood in the Badlands book encourages players to invent their own siege equipment, so he came up with the stonebread that already existed in the fluff. Therefore I'd say that you could consider this siege equipment almost semi-official. I only made a minor change. If I remember correctly, they put the cost for the stonebread at 1500 siege points. But I thought the cost should be dependant on the size of the army, which was 3000 points in the battle report... so half total siege points seemed logical.)

The Knights lead the Defense of the Fortress! (100)
Bretonnia only.
Any number of Knight characters can choose the Virtue of Empathy without additional cost.

KevinC God Goblin King of New York! Posts: 2,293	New Siege Equipment Jan 15, 2022 13:38:07 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by KevinC on Jan 15, 2022 13:38:07 GMT baaderthegreat, This is cool stuff. I'm a huge fan of WFB siege games. My favorite way to play siege is using the WFB 5th edition Siege book and it works well in 8th edition with a few minor tweaks. Thanks for sharing this.
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New Siege Equipment Jan 15, 2022 17:02:50 GMT KevinC likes this

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Post by baaderthegreat on Jan 15, 2022 17:02:50 GMT

Thank you, Kevin.

I never played with the 5th edition siege rules. Maybe I should try them someday.

Here is more:

ATTACKER'S SIEGE EQUIPMENT

Ramhorn Skull (100 per gate section)

Beastmen only.

In the night before the battle, Ungor Raiders sneak to the gate of the fortress and place a gargantuan ramhorn skull there, knowing that the big monsters of the Beastmen army will think of it as a rival that has to be destroyed at any cost. Before the battle, choose one Ungor Raider unit (and, if the fortress has more than one gate, choose a gate). Then roll a D6:

1-2 The secret operation fails, no ramhorn skull is mounted upon the portal.

3-5 The skull is delivered, but the Ungor Raider unit loses D6 models.

6 The skull is placed at the gate without any losses.

If the skull was successfully placed, all Ghorgons, Cygors and Giants chosen from Warhammer Beastmen may reroll their To Wound and To Breach rolls against that gate section for the entire game.

(Note: I invented that siege equipment, but I didn't invent the fluff that inspired it. You can find it in the Beastmen army book page 21.)

Tendrils from the Worldroots (100)

Wood Elves only.

If this siege equipment is chosen, an additional forest (see Warhammer Wood Elves, page 36,"Ambush from the Worldroots") is not placed. Instead, the Wood Elves player chooses one fortress section that becomes the target for the tendrils. For the whole game, all infantry models (and cavalry models that dismount in order to fight in a building) assaulting that fortress section make an Initiative test before close combat starts. If successful, their Weapon Skill and Initiative is not halved.

We also made the following house rules:

- Models that are so big that their head is on the same level as the crennelations and flying models never get their Weapon Skill and their Initiative halved when assaulting a fortress section.

- Models with the Wall-crawler special rule get only their Initiative halved when assaulting a fortress section, but not their Weapon Skill.

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