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Post by lordofskullpass on Jun 28, 2022 7:12:48 GMT
I think you should have the Ramhorn - Ramhorns are in the lore, and are used to crash through city/town gates. I know you have changed it to thickskull- but I believe the curving horns of the Ramhorn helmet look like Ramhorns, meant to imitate it, hence the name! I'd keep it as it is a creature in the lore. The Cacophonous Dirge in the Beastmen book is also an item made from the tusk of a Ramhorn. Your points are definitely valid, though the name Ramhorn also creates confusion with the Ramhorn Helm, which allegedly has the horns of a standard, ordinary ram, not those of the Ramhorn creature, which would be far larger and would weigh the Beastlord wearing it down too much. As a perfectionist this bugged me a bit. I have kept the lore about Ramhorns/Thickskulls being used as battering rams, which is of course very thematic and a great idea for siege battles, and for all intents and purposes the Thickskull is meant to be exactly the same creature as the Ramhorn, just with its name changed to satisfy my perfectionist tendencies. |
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Post by markdienekes on Jun 28, 2022 8:11:32 GMT
I think you should have the Ramhorn - Ramhorns are in the lore, and are used to crash through city/town gates. I know you have changed it to thickskull- but I believe the curving horns of the Ramhorn helmet look like Ramhorns, meant to imitate it, hence the name! I'd keep it as it is a creature in the lore. The Cacophonous Dirge in the Beastmen book is also an item made from the tusk of a Ramhorn. Your points are definitely valid, though the name Ramhorn also creates confusion with the Ramhorn Helm, which allegedly has the horns of a standard, ordinary ram, not those of the Ramhorn creature, which would be far larger and would weigh the Beastlord wearing it down too much. As a perfectionist this bugged me a bit. I have kept the lore about Ramhorns/Thickskulls being used as battering rams, which is of course very thematic and a great idea for siege battles, and for all intents and purposes the Thickskull is meant to be exactly the same creature as the Ramhorn, just with its name changed to satisfy my perfectionist tendencies. Fair enough! I keep reading it and thinking of the skill in Bloodbowl though, haha! I'd use a different name, it doesn't convey the sheer terror of its presence, even the Beastmen are afraid of it - Dreadhorn perhaps. I think it sounds more beastman-like with horn on the end, haha. Your choice though.  |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Jun 28, 2022 12:39:54 GMT
Your points are definitely valid, though the name Ramhorn also creates confusion with the Ramhorn Helm, which allegedly has the horns of a standard, ordinary ram, not those of the Ramhorn creature, which would be far larger and would weigh the Beastlord wearing it down too much. As a perfectionist this bugged me a bit. I have kept the lore about Ramhorns/Thickskulls being used as battering rams, which is of course very thematic and a great idea for siege battles, and for all intents and purposes the Thickskull is meant to be exactly the same creature as the Ramhorn, just with its name changed to satisfy my perfectionist tendencies. Fair enough! I keep reading it and thinking of the skill in Bloodbowl though, haha! I'd use a different name, it doesn't convey the sheer terror of its presence, even the Beastmen are afraid of it - Dreadhorn perhaps. I think it sounds more beastman-like with horn on the end, haha. Your choice though. The name Thickskull was coined by the artist who created the artwork I'm using for the beast. That is true that 'Thickskull' doesn't sound particularly intimidating, particularly for a monster that I have decided should be on a Stonehorn/Arachnarok base, and I didn't know there was a Blood Bowl skill with that name. Dreadhorn I like as an alternative, I might well steal that  |
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Post by oldmandan on Jul 7, 2022 20:13:41 GMT
The Chaos giant can go and just keep Dragon Ogres, Shaggoth and Cockatrice. It just doesn't make sense. Why would a giant live in the chaos wastes? Champions of Khorne would be after it to kill it and proved themselves, other champions would again be after it for the same reason, the Skaven from Hellpit would be after it to play operatiob, there's no brewery to raid, so it would be sobber and provably think what am I doing here and it would have the other nasties in the wastes to fighting it. Nope he can go.
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Post by markdienekes on Jul 8, 2022 23:26:02 GMT
I think we should keep the chaos giant, shaggoth, and dragon ogres. This is not because I've painted these units for my Beastman army, not at all  !!! |
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Post by oldmandan on Jul 9, 2022 20:00:52 GMT
Fair enough, I just feel back when the chaos giant was introduced it was pretty much GW had no ideas for chaos monsters the along came 7th and 8th and it was monsters galore.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jul 10, 2022 6:01:18 GMT
Fair enough, I just feel back when the chaos giant was introduced it was pretty much GW had no ideas for chaos monsters the along came 7th and 8th and it was monsters galore. Also, they wanted to sell their giant kit which had cool hoof and horn chaos options. I feel like a Chaos giant fits, they are rare but everywhere so it doesn't seem 'wrong' that a Chaos giant exists. |
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Post by oldmandan on Jul 23, 2022 11:02:04 GMT
Yeah I get what you're saying, I did think that it was a bit about driving sales. But while I agree they are rare and might hide in the wastes I just feel there are more cons to that scenario, it just makes more sense for them to show up in an ogre army as that is the kind of thing an Ogre tyrant would do, hey look I enslaved that giant I'm mega hard don't mess with me, whereas Chaos is more like I killed that giant I'm dead hard and OnG would give a giant stuff and encourage it to stomp on things.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jul 24, 2022 5:50:10 GMT
Yeah I get what you're saying, I did think that it was a bit about driving sales. But while I agree they are rare and might hide in the wastes I just feel there are more cons to that scenario, it just makes more sense for them to show up in an ogre army as that is the kind of thing an Ogre tyrant would do, hey look I enslaved that giant I'm mega hard don't mess with me, whereas Chaos is more like I killed that giant I'm dead hard and OnG would give a giant stuff and encourage it to stomp on things. With an Ogre Tyrant they enslave the giant but have that ancient rivalry. With Chaos Lords the way I see their giants is a willing, big, dumb but loyal follower who helps the Chaos Lord enforce dominance both against enemy armies and potential chaos internal rivals. So there's no reason or need for the big bad Chaos Warlord to kill the giant as the giant has effectively already bent the knee and would function sort of as a brutish bodyguard. As a Giant has no desire to actually lead a Chaos warband they aren't an internal threat to the Chaos Lord in the same way a powerful Chaos hero would be. Of course there would be examples just like yours where a Chaos Lord kills a giant for bragging rights or props etc but those poor giants don't actually make it into the Chaos armies as they are dead 😀 I'm thinking of the Chaos Giants that we see on the battlefield as willing followers who enjoy being a part of the larger Chaos force and the 'fun' it brings as they rampage around. Some may even get into the diety workship. Also probably quite helpful when it comes to manual labour and clearing paths. Just my personal lore for Chaos Giants in the Warhammer world. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jul 24, 2022 5:52:28 GMT
I was going to say "both" on the grounds that they're all bestial monsters who could fit thematically within a Beastmen army, but granmasterwang's point is a good one. The north still has forests, but Dragon Ogres are more likely to get rolled up into a Chaos/Norscan Lord's warband rather than a Beastmen herd. As Knoffles says, the Preyton is a must for Beastmen - it's a 100% thematic fit, being a forest-dwelling monster literally created by the Beastmen. Why Forge World didn't sell their monsters as Special/Rare choices in conventional armies, I'll never understand. The Cockatrice is less clearcut. I think it's a mountain dweller rather than living in forests (there's a map in Tamurkhan that gives it a mountainous lair). I think Monstrous Arcanum also had a map suggesting locations for its monsters (and various Storm of Magic ones too) but the online copy I have to hand doesn't include that. Basilisks might be a better fit, as Monstrous Arcanum has them as living in forests, amongst other places. You know I didn't even consider the basilisk as a Beastmen ally but I quite like the idea. They are certainly odd enough. |
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