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Post by thegoat on May 12, 2022 10:24:27 GMT
Incorrect, as already discussed here.I read through the other thread. You presented a well researched, well documented, and well reasoned argument for why random movement allows flank charges when starting position is in the front facing. But ultimately I find it unconvincing. I would not play a second game against an opponent who insisted on using that exploit.
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Post by pete on May 12, 2022 14:41:43 GMT
Very interesting thread. Thank you. However, although it says, “A charging unit’s position when the charge is declared determines whether it charges into the front, flank or rear…” it also says in the next paragraph, “Whether the charger is in the front, flank or rear…is determined before the charges are declared.” To me this means that it doesn’t matter when (or whether, even,) charges are declared, your zone is already determined. That is unless there is an exception, eg Empire detachments. Is that right or am I missing something?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 12, 2022 16:04:37 GMT
That is just practical application, just as with measuring, where you can always check the distance before you declare an action, but which ruleswise has no effect whatsoever unless you actually declare that action. You want to check which facing you'll be charging before declaring the charge, to decide whether you will charge that unit at all, but also for your opponent to decide which charge reaction to choose. That is indicated by part of the sentence you left out in your quote:
"Whether a charger is in the front, flank or rear of its intended target is determined before charges are declared, so make sure you check before charge reactions are declared"
as well as the comment in the side bar:
"Facing is hugely important in a close combat — if you're attacking the enemy in the flank or rear, you're much more likely to win the fight. That's why it's absolutely crucial that, if there's doubt as to which facing your unit will be charging, you discuss it with your opponent when the charge is declared — he might not be expecting your unit in his rear!"
So, the position of the charger vis-à-vis the intended target is determined before charges are declared, but ruleswise it has no effect whatsoever, unless a charge is declared.
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Post by pete on May 12, 2022 19:54:40 GMT
Now that you say that, I can see that the part missing from my quote does add context and I completely agree with you. I was going to have one more attempt to persuade you using, “However, if the charging unit comes from the flank zone, it charges into the side; if in the rear zone, it charges into the rear.” Unfortunately, ‘the charging unit’ clearly refers to units that have declared a charge from earlier in the paragraph. I guess I’ll have to learn to love it!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 12, 2022 21:10:04 GMT
You, sir, are a gentleman; I draw my hat to you.
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