WARHAMMER: BEASTMEN (8th Edition) V1.1

"creatur" in Taurox entry lore.

Map on page 45 is sideways. All GW publications for 8th have them vertically like the text.

Ghorros father of Beasts rule. Maybe a bit about how he can only join Centigor (raw) he could join minotaurs or whatever to give ws and Slaanesh mark)

Also, does he have to be General to take Centigor as core? Maybe deliberate but gw book you just need to take him to make them core. He's not a good general and cannot be general with a Beastlord etc etc.

Lore bits I've read (khazrak, taurox, ghorros, Moonclaw) read way better now with the sentencing so great job.

Moonclaw still has "Morrsleib"

Per GW the moon is called "Morrslieb"

Magic lores for the 3 Chaos Gods are imo much better now!

Huge improvement, massively tuned down which is great and I think far better overall balance and internal balance.

Tzeentch vs Slaanesh is seemingly a much closer battle now. Great job there fixing all that up with lore attributes etc. All seems solid now.

Hah, how on Earth did I let that happen? I'll definitely fix that.



I did notice this, but the map I chose was from the 6th Edition Beastman book, which also presented it sideways on one side of A4 - to present it the right way up would be to present it in landscape, which would cut most of the map off if kept to one page, and would require it to be put on a double-page which has never been done before in GW books.



Those points are fair, I'll see what I can do to implement those.



I've only just conceptualised that I've had the 'e' and the 'i' the wrong way round! Will fix that.




Yes, this should be allowed - in essence it can give units that attempted and failed a charge a second chance. The fact that failed charges usually result in the unit shuffling forward only 2"-3" at best means I don't think this is particularly overpowered, in a way it's similar to allowing the unit to re-roll its charge roll.



I think that works as a trade-off, and to keep it balanced - it gives you a lot better results than the original when you're close enough to charge, but you're going to have to hold back on it until you get there.

Not to mention that most Beastman players avoided the original in 8th anyway because it could make your units advance only a paltry 2", the same as a failed charge move from the new version, so the small amount of potential extra movement in earlier turns lost is a small price to pay for being able to maximise the chances of nailing those charges in later turns.



The old 'Mantle of Ghorok' I really felt was rather redundant, in both 7th and 8th - in 7th you had 'The Bear's Anger' and in 8th you have 'The Savage Beast of Horros', both of which give you much more reliable fixed bonuses without having to risk wounding your characters. I've replaced it with a spell that better helps to achieve my vision of a new and unique set of mechanics and strategies for the Beastman army.



Yes, if both spells were cast successfully this would be possible, but you'd have to get them both cast and your opponent has a chance to dispel each of them. The 'Blood-Thirst' Lore Attribute only gives the unit Unbreakable if it already had Immune to Psychology - if not it simply gets Immune to Psychology.



That was purposefully done both to keep it balanced and also to fit in with the lore (when a Bray-Shaman Spirit-Walks, he opens a rift into the Realm of Chaos for himself - he could easily also take a unit he is with into the rift, but not a unit that he isn't in base contact with). It does have its uses, both as a way to get a powerful melee unit closer to the enemy or into their flank, if he has joined a Beast Herd, Bestigor or even a Minotaur unit if he's a Tzaanbull, and also as a way to get the Shaman out of trouble if he finds himself in a combat he cannot win.



A bit of both . I definitely thought it needed to be raised by a point as I added a couple of extra monsters into the mix for it, and also, as the sixth spell, to make sure it had a higher casting value than the previous one, 'Spirit-Walk'. Also I didn't see how suffering a wound through a monster controlled with your mind couldn't be prevented by Ward Saves.



I can't see much armour on the Ghorgon model, just the loincloth adorned with skulls and the old Skaven bell dangling from its oversized goatee, and its regenerative capabilities are already exemplified by its ability to heal itself after devouring enemies. Perhaps its healing could be improved though, by making all its attacks Killing Blow and just allowing it to heal one wound with every successful Killing Blow, because the way it just indiscriminately gobbles down and swallows flesh in lore means it would swallow random hunks of chopped-up enemy as it's fighting, rather than just declare that it's making a swallow attack and swallow one enemy model. Because Killing Blow only works against Infantry, War Beasts and other small stuff, I don't see how that improvement, along with a points increase again, could be considered unbalanced.

Yes, all mounts get Primal Fury as well, as the feral hatred spreads from the rider to the beast they are riding.



I based the profile on KevinC 's rules in his errata for the 6th Edition book. Giving them an extra point of Initiative sounds fair, would you not agree Kevin?



As Daemons and Warriors Discs are on 50x50mm squares, Enlightened Discs should also have those bases, to keep it consistent.

I look forward to seeing how you get on with my rules against an 'official' book! By all means post a batrep here, and be sure to mention where the rules came from 

I must say I quite like the Fiendbloods and agree with how you have them at 5+ unit size which further differentiates them from minotaurs.

Initiative 5 with Mark of Slaanesh is quite quick and the art/lore entry is cool with how they interact within the Herd.

M5 in Army list (6 with Mark of Slaanesh) but unit entry has them at M6. Not sure which is correct?

No armor save at all right?

High attacks, primal fury and Initiative make them great targets for Wildform spell.

Some people like myself like to run 'purist' Gor lists where th Ungor have been culled hehehe so that's why I asked the question.

I don't think the Fiendbloods are unbalanced, like you said...no armor.

Monstrous Infantry makes more sense imo purely due to the model size. The oop minotaurs are smaller than the slaangor models. Slaangor models are bigger than blightlords and the Khorne 3 wound Infantry. They are different enough to be unique from minotaurs despite the same unit type. Even as Monstrous infantry you could still leave the 5+ minimum unit size.

With the Preyton I agree with what you said and its a Beast riding a Monster so all good anyway (beasts riding beasts) 😀