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Post by wundapantz on Apr 26, 2023 7:21:30 GMT
Does a squig herd without squigs still go wild when it flees? The rules say When the unit flees, or anytime there are only squigs left, the squigs Go wild biting at anything nearby. All units within 2d6" (friend or foe) immediately take d6 strength 5 hits..... To my interpretation there are two ways the Squigs Go Wild comes into play. The first is if the unit flees. The second is if there are only squigs left. The first instance doesn't call for a minimum number of Squigs in the unit. Therefore a squigherd unit that either starts the battle with no Squigs, or at an earlier point in the battle has had all the Squigs removed as casualties would still use the rule "Squigs Go Wild". The second point to them still being able to explode without a living squig is the final line in the rule "After the damage is resolved, the Squigs Herd is removed in its entirety"  |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 26, 2023 7:47:27 GMT
Here is one we prepared earlier: - Somewhat counterintuitively to its name, the "Squigs Go Wild" special rule does not provide an exemption as such for a Squig Herd unit consisting only of Herders. Therefore, such a unit will still be subject to "Squigs Go Wild". To add: for those that cannot stomach the counterintuitiveness: one could perhaps argue that there is an implied exemption, as the rule states "If the unit flees... the squigs go wild" and therefore you need at least one squig in the unit.
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Post by johngg on May 4, 2023 16:40:16 GMT
Here is one we prepared earlier: - Somewhat counterintuitively to its name, the "Squigs Go Wild" special rule does not provide an exemption as such for a Squig Herd unit consisting only of Herders. Therefore, such a unit will still be subject to "Squigs Go Wild". To add: for those that cannot stomach the counterintuitiveness: one could perhaps argue that there is an implied exemption, as the rule states "If the unit flees... the squigs go wild" and therefore you need at least one squig in the unit. ahh, but what really IS a squig... [pondering thought iMojee] |
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Post by DiscoQing on May 4, 2023 20:58:39 GMT
I've run units of 10 goblin herders as chaff for a while.
They're awesome, ITP and explode when killed, whoop!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 4, 2023 22:25:20 GMT
DiscoQing : Which is illegal. As pointed out before in another thread: the initial unit cannot consist of just 10 Herders - you would need to include at least one Cave Squig.
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Post by DiscoQing on May 4, 2023 23:24:15 GMT
I don't see a rule that says that.
I just see a fluff statement before a rule...
"So long as..." doesn't sound like hard and fast wording for "must include" both types 👍
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Post by DiscoQing on May 4, 2023 23:34:05 GMT
Further to add, no limitations in the army list entry...  |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 5, 2023 7:28:30 GMT
The Squig Herd special rule itself specifically states (O&G AB p. 54): "Squig Herds are composed of both Night Goblins and Squigs. So long as the unit contains both types etc. "
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Post by DiscoQing on May 5, 2023 9:40:09 GMT
The full sentence/rule goes on to talk about when both types are in the unit, then shooting the units and how fighting in combat is clarified.
Nothing about mandatory both types 😊
Which the list entry confirms - it's against the meaning of the unit, so I understand the confusion.
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Post by johngg on May 5, 2023 10:40:13 GMT
I don't see a rule that says that. I just see a fluff statement before a rule... "So long as..." doesn't sound like hard and fast wording for "must include" both types 👍 'so long as you don't kill someone' totally oks murder? |
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Post by johngg on May 5, 2023 10:41:19 GMT
The full sentence/rule goes on to talk about when both types are in the unit, then shooting the units and how fighting in combat is clarified. Nothing about mandatory both types 😊 Which the list entry confirms - it's against the meaning of the unit, so I understand the confusion. Duuuude, really? ++EDIT++ Ok I should expand... The Squig Herd special rule itself specifically states (O&G AB p. 54): "Squig Herds are composed of both Night Goblins and Squigs. This statement is NOT dependant on any other. It is a statement in its own right. Therefore, A unit of Night Goblin Squid Herds, is defined as.. "Squig Herds are composed of both Night Goblins and Squigs" The following sentence does not alter this statement but defines what occurs when the unit is shot at. And nothing more. The sentence after that deals with how the unot behaves in close combat and the last sentence deals with casualties and model removal. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 5, 2023 11:04:34 GMT
DiscoQing: the confusion is not mine. That it is mandatory can be shown beyond reasonable doubt by a simple change from "both" to "5" (or any other number): "Squig Herds are composed of 5 Night Goblins and 5 Squigs." Nobody can deny that this is mandatory and that a Squig Herd must be composed of 5 Night Goblins and 5 Squigs. The actual rule requires the unit to be composed of "both Night Goblins and Squigs," and, therefore, you need at least one of each type.
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