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Post by stagsbrew on Dec 29, 2023 18:19:37 GMT
Hi all, I'm new to the forum, and forums in general so please excuse me if this isn't the proper place to ask.
I didn't have the chance to play WFB when it was supported, and I'm keen to jump onto the bandwagon when TOW releases. One thing that I'm worried about though is the density of the rule set. I've played AOS a fair amount, so I'm not entirely new to war gaming, but from what I've seen from the Warhammer community posts, TOW rules are a different beast entirely.
For those of you who played the earlier editions, what helped you learn the rules?
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Post by Naitsabes on Dec 29, 2023 19:05:29 GMT
Welcome the forum!
Ideally, you'd find some friendly old hands who know the rules inside and out (or in this case picked up the rules a lot faster because of similarities with old fantasy). Then play a few intro games with those guys.
If that is not an option, I would recommend picking (or proxy-ing) a more standard army (e.g. Brets), leave out magic, leave out characters and just push a few regular units around to understand how movement, shooting, charging, combat, flee&pursue works. Then build from there.
I guess in this day and age, maybe look for youtube battle reports once the game has been out for a bit? (personally, I can't stand those shaky videos, but I just might be too old)
It really isn't rocket science. Most importantly, you can have fun even if you don't get every last rule right.
Lastly, feel free to ask any and all questions right here.
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Post by stagsbrew on Dec 29, 2023 19:16:44 GMT
Welcome the forum! Ideally, you'd find some friendly old hands who know the rules inside and out (or in this case picked up the rules a lot faster because of similarities with old fantasy). Then play a few intro games with those guys. If that is not an option, I would recommend picking (or proxy-ing) a more standard army (e.g. Brets), leave out magic, leave out characters and just push a few regular units around to understand how movement, shooting, charging, combat, flee&pursue works. Then build from there. I guess in this day and age, maybe look for youtube battle reports once the game has been out for a bit? (personally, I can't stand those shaky videos, but I just might be too old) It really isn't rocket science. Most importantly, you can have fun even if you don't get every last rule right. Lastly, feel free to ask any and all questions right here. Thank you for the welcome! I'm hoping my local games club has a few veterans from old fantasy that plan to play TOW, but from the few conversations I've had with some of the regulars, there isn't much of an appetite for the game unfortunately.
I plan to pick up and play Bretonians as my main faction, so I'm glad to hear that they're more of an accessible army.
I'm not a fan of the handcam style battle reports either, but I'm sure once the game has launched there will be plenty of written ones posted. I have plans myself to write some once I have a grasp of how the game is played. Hopefully, there will be a few battle reports in White Dwarf too!
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Post by thegoat on Dec 30, 2023 12:56:32 GMT
As Naitsabes said, the best way to learn is from an existing player. But if that is impossible in your area, the next best would be to find a friend (or friends) who also is interested in WH:TOW. Play games and openly discuss your strategies at the end and what worked and what didn't. I caution against using youtube battle reports as your guide to rules interpretations, army composition balance, and strategy. Those tend to be produced by people with a win at all costs mentality who pervert the rules and ignore the intent. Here is a thread where we discussed just such an online battle report. |
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Jan 2, 2024 20:59:57 GMT
Absolutely watch Battle Reports on YouTube. I would recommend Mountain Miniatures and Mini Wargaming. It helped me a lot to see all the finer details of movement like marching, wheeling, fleeing, panic, etc. The older battle reports on those channels are better as they're edited and more succinct than their more recent offerings. It helped me to read the rulebook along with the videos so I could make the connection between the two clearer for me. If you've already got the models, it would also be a good idea to set up two opposing units on your table top and charge them into each other, roll dice and see how it plays out, trying to remember all the rules in the proper sequence and timing. I hope interest in TOW picks up in your gaming group, nothing beats actually playing the game with friends and learning it together!
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Post by stagsbrew on Jan 4, 2024 10:41:32 GMT
Absolutely watch Battle Reports on YouTube. I would recommend Mountain Miniatures and Mini Wargaming. It helped me a lot to see all the finer details of movement like marching, wheeling, fleeing, panic, etc. The older battle reports on those channels are better as they're edited and more succinct than their more recent offerings. It helped me to read the rulebook along with the videos so I could make the connection between the two clearer for me. If you've already got the models, it would also be a good idea to set up two opposing units on your table top and charge them into each other, roll dice and see how it plays out, trying to remember all the rules in the proper sequence and timing. I hope interest in TOW picks up in your gaming group, nothing beats actually playing the game with friends and learning it together! Thank you for the advice! Thankfully, I'm moving house soon, and from what I've seen the local group I'll be joining are more Fantasy friendly than my original club. Hopefully there will be a few old hands there to help me learn the basics!
I have a lot of childhood nostalgia for MiniWarGamings older videos, I'll have to give them a look again.
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Post by morhog on Jan 7, 2024 20:13:09 GMT
I have to second buying/proxying a second army. I've been playing since the late '80s and I always use solo games to learn the ropes. For instance I just ran a couple of Bret vs. Tomb Kings in 8th ed. I have a nice Bret army, but I'm using my Vampire Counts undead for the TKs. It is awkward at first, but it really can help see it, instead of imagining how things look. I have pre-ordered the army books and the individual TK & Bret books. I need to know. Good luck!
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