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4000 pt All-Cav Empire Army Nov 29, 2017 21:31:52 GMT knoffles likes this

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Post by mottdon on Nov 29, 2017 21:31:52 GMT

Really, I just wanted to see if I could do it. I think this works. Let me know what you think. Also, I consider Stanks or Chariots part of all-cav lists.
My Empire army is also Middenheim themed, so I've included many "Middenheim" units.

Lords:
Boris Todbringer [General] - 300 {Using Horace's rules updating him to 8th}
Balthesar Gelt - 360
Grand Marshal (GW, White Cloak of Ulric) - 211

Heroes:
Captain (BSB, Barded Warhorse, Full Plate Armor, Great Weapon, Talisman of Preservation) - 158
Warrior Priest (Barded Warhorse, Heavy Armor, Great Weapon, Crown of Command) - 123
Captain (Pegasus, Shield, Full Plate Armor, Lance, Helm of the Skaven Slayer) - 135

Core:
16 Knights of the White Wolf (Full Command, Inner Circle Knights, Steel Standard) - 465
12 Knights Panther (Full Command) - 294
10 Knights of the White Wolf (Full Command) - 250

Special:
10 Reiksguard Knights (Full Command, Wailing Banner) - 350
4 Demigryph Knights (Full Command, Banner of Swiftness) - 277
4 Demigryph Knights (Full Command, War Banner) - 297
5 Pistoliers (Musician, Outrider, Brace of Pistols including Repeater Pistol) - 120
5 Pistoliers (Musician, Outrider, Brace of Pistols including Repeater Pistol) - 120

Rare:
2 Steam Tanks (Hochland Long Rifles) - 540

Total: 4000 pts

So what do you guys think? Would you want to face this army?

My armies: Empire, Dwarfs, High Elves, Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Skaven, Tomb Kings, Ogre Kingdoms, Orcs and Goblins, and Skitarii (40K).

knoffles God Posts: 4,429	4000 pt All-Cav Empire Army Nov 29, 2017 22:16:14 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by knoffles on Nov 29, 2017 22:16:14 GMT I love the idea of a full cav army so would face it with anything just for ‘shits and giggles’. No idea how the Empire Cav army would play though.
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4000 pt All-Cav Empire Army Nov 29, 2017 22:32:27 GMT

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Post by mottdon on Nov 29, 2017 22:32:27 GMT

Well, I'd make the IC Knights a deathstar with Boris, Grand Master, and WP all in with them. 5 wide so that the WP would be pushed to the second rank, protecting the Crown of Command a tad better. The Reiksguard would run in next to them and a unit of Steam Tanks on either side. Demigryph Knights would move in from either flank.

The smaller units of Knights Panther and KotWW would sweep across from the more open ended side of the field, with the Pistoliers baiting and fleeing for position. These units would act as a screen for Balthesar, protecting him but also allowing him to get into a prime location.

The Captasus would either go war machine hunting, or clear chaff - whatever was needed more.

My main fear is that this is just a few bodies when talking about a 4000 point force. They'd have to rely on their armor protection as well as magic from Balthesar (pretty reliable!) to be able to compete with the hordes they'd inevitably be facing.

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4000 pt All-Cav Empire Army Nov 30, 2017 22:35:09 GMT mottdon likes this

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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Nov 30, 2017 22:35:09 GMT

As you say, they have to rely on their armour protection. So, a +1 is better than a +2. I would certainly drop the GW on your BSB for a shield. As a BSB, not being killed is more important to him than kill something himself. The same is true of your WP.
Not much point in having a champion in the DGK. Admittedly, not much points either. So, it depends if you would need some extra points elsewhere. The problem with having a standard bearer with the DGK is the high cost of the auto-kill when the unit breaks.

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frozenfood God Posts: 923	4000 pt All-Cav Empire Army Dec 1, 2017 12:26:43 GMT mottdon likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by frozenfood on Dec 1, 2017 12:26:43 GMT Balthesar Gelt is great against armies with armour but against Skaven or Beastmen, he will do little. Against hordes...avoid them? Against warmachines, CHARGE THEM!
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4000 pt All-Cav Empire Army Dec 1, 2017 14:07:55 GMT

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Post by mottdon on Dec 1, 2017 14:07:55 GMT

I like Gelt. He gets to cast with a +5 to his dice roll instead of the normal +4 because of his level + staff. That's good, but since he's mounted on a Pegasus, he really has no trouble getting into good positions or staying out of trouble.

And as for the Lore of Metal, increasing a unit of Hablerdiers or Greatsword's armor save by +2 is simply awesome! But add in other spells like Enchanted Blades, Plague of Rust, or Transmutation to Lead and you can really start getting a lot of attacks through! And as for those hordes...Final Transmutation. It may not be the best nuke spell, but it'll definitely tip the scales against a unit of Clanrats or Night Goblins.

My real inclination is to take Balthesar with a Beast Wizard. If he can get Wyssan's through and Gelt get Enchanted Blades off, then you're talking about some heavy damage getting through. OR...you can go defensive with Pann's Pelt and Glittering Robes for some serious defense! Something for whatever.

My armies: Empire, Dwarfs, High Elves, Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Skaven, Tomb Kings, Ogre Kingdoms, Orcs and Goblins, and Skitarii (40K).

FvonSigmaringen God Attorney-at-RAW Posts: 2,494	4000 pt All-Cav Empire Army Dec 1, 2017 14:29:53 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 1, 2017 14:29:53 GMT As it happens, the Staff of Volans provides a +2 bonus on his casting attempts (so, +6 in total).
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mottdon God Quadfathered Posts: 6,017 Member is Online	4000 pt All-Cav Empire Army Dec 1, 2017 14:49:08 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mottdon on Dec 1, 2017 14:49:08 GMT Ah! I totally missed that! I don't know what I was thinking. Been a while since I used Gelt, Lol!
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Post by knoffles on Nov 29, 2017 22:16:14 GMT

Post by mottdon on Nov 29, 2017 22:32:27 GMT

Post by FvonSigmaringen on Nov 30, 2017 22:35:09 GMT

Post by frozenfood on Dec 1, 2017 12:26:43 GMT

Post by mottdon on Dec 1, 2017 14:07:55 GMT

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Post by mottdon on Dec 1, 2017 14:49:08 GMT