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Post by mottdon on Dec 8, 2017 19:17:48 GMT
Apparently, my family line had a coat of arms somewhere way back when. It was always my plan to paint up the general of my Bret force in those colors. Black and Silver with a Crescent Moon on as the symbol. (The original Black Knight!) Something like that. I'd have to get my family lineage book out again.
Eventually...
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Post by knoffles on Dec 9, 2017 0:39:58 GMT
I’m not entirely sure on what to do. I considered a crusade themed army but white and red crosses seems a bit boring so am like to do simple heraldry designs. The issue is not making them look crap! I have all my early white dwarves still and I know there were Bret painting articles with heraldry (I think by the Perry twins) so will dig them out over Xmas to add to the photos taken in Tewkesbury. I’m hoping this might kick start my painting mojo In the new year.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Dec 10, 2017 7:23:55 GMT
When I get around to it I'm going to paint up my Grail knights in their individual heraldry. I'm not going to copy and book but rather select two colours that appeal to me. White is surprisingly difficult to paint as it just looks flat but needs to be bright so you can't use shades on it but red/white blue/white green /white all work together. Its colours such as blue/yellow green/yellow that work but not green/blue.
I will rank my knights up first and then plan the colours so there's no two similar knights nearby. I really liked a blood knight picture that was red/black but I'd not want that model standing next to another that had red or black in it. Hope you follow my train of thought.
Greg
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Post by knoffles on Dec 10, 2017 7:32:19 GMT
Yep that’s sounds like a good idea. I was definitely think simple colours to start, some squares, some with stories etc. I was also considering using tape to get cleaner lines. I have one test model primed so I’ll see how it goes.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Dec 11, 2017 23:21:40 GMT
The simple colours are the best, you don't have to paint them like harlequins to have a good overall effect.
Greg
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Post by grandmasterwang on Dec 14, 2017 12:41:50 GMT
When I get around to it I'm going to paint up my Grail knights in their individual heraldry. I'm not going to copy and book but rather select two colours that appeal to me. White is surprisingly difficult to paint as it just looks flat but needs to be bright so you can't use shades on it but red/white blue/white green /white all work together. Its colours such as blue/yellow green/yellow that work but not green/blue. I will rank my knights up first and then plan the colours so there's no two similar knights nearby. I really liked a blood knight picture that was red/black but I'd not want that model standing next to another that had red or black in it. Hope you follow my train of thought. Greg That will be an amazing looking unit. Love the colour explosion of Knight units all painted in different colours. Really eye catching.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Dec 14, 2017 22:49:00 GMT
That will be an amazing looking unit. Love the colour explosion of Knight units all painted in different colours. Really eye catching. Well it won't be highly detailed, more panels of differnt colours, I'm not the greatest painter. Painted to a good gaming standard is what I aim for. However, not picked up a paint brush for a while and I have other units that are on the table ATM Greg
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 22:52:45 GMT
Don't forget the chevrons and the checker patterns!!
I really like Brets because of cool stuff like that.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Dec 17, 2017 14:18:41 GMT
Don't forget the chevrons and the checker patterns!! I really like Brets because of cool stuff like that. Depends on your level of painting and whether or not you're going to put the transfers on the horses flanks. Greg
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Post by grandmasterwang on Dec 20, 2017 5:01:29 GMT
That will be an amazing looking unit. Love the colour explosion of Knight units all painted in different colours. Really eye catching. Well it won't be highly detailed, more panels of differnt colours, I'm not the greatest painter. Painted to a good gaming standard is what I aim for. However, not picked up a paint brush for a while and I have other units that are on the table ATM Greg The unit will still look amazing, especially at range.
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Post by mottdon on Dec 20, 2017 13:46:13 GMT
I played against a friends (one of the organizers of the Redstone Rumble) who had a Bret army that he regularly played (Skaven was his other). He had painted every model with a Whtie scheme with Gold accents. He painted them very well, but I simply wasn't impressed. It was just too monotone. I've always been in favor of seeing lots of unique "family" heraldry on each knight and leaving the Archers and common foot soldiers as the common theme elements, ever since I saw his army.
Still, massed units of knights are ALWAYS awesome!
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Post by knoffles on Feb 12, 2018 22:40:04 GMT
As normal I've been tinkering with lists.
I'm not entirely sure whether it's best to have a bus or spread characters out between units so this list is the latter. Because I just want an excuse to field a bucket load of knights, I have 4 blocks of them and have different types just because I fancy trying them out.
Lord (General) – Sword of Swift Slaying, Gromril Great Helm, Po Foolhardiness, Virtue of Heroism – 234pts
This gives him a 1+ rerollable AS. ASF and Heroic KB and +1 attack on the charge. I'm a bit worried about his lack of str but hoping the KB and possible rerolls should overcome this.
Paladin (BSB) – Sword of Might, Amour of Agilulf, Luckstone – 124pts
Standard 2+ Knight save with one reroll to a save, WS10 and +1 to Str. Should make him reasonably well defended.
Prophetess – lvl4, Chalice of Malfleur, Crown of Command, Lore of Life – 295pts
Looking forward to fielding her, as I've never actually used lore of life in 8th. Further to advice I've put CoC on her. Rather than the silver mirror I've gone with the chalice that gives the extra dispel dice.
Damsel of the Lady – Dispel Scroll, Lore of Beasts – 105pts
11 Knights of the Realm – FC – Standard of Discipline – 303pts
General goes in here bumping up his LD, standard stuff.
11 Knights Errant – FC – Errantry Banner – 261pts
BSB will go in this unit
11 Questing Knights – FC – Banner of Eternal Flame – 345pts
The Prophetess will potentially go in here.
8 Grail Knights – Banner of Chalons - 344pts
The damsel will join this unit.
3 Pegasus Knights – Gallant, Musician - 175pts
10 Bowman – Braziers – 65pts
10 Bowman – Braziers – 65pts
Trebuchet – 90pts
Trebuchet – 90pts
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Post by vulcan on Feb 13, 2018 1:43:20 GMT
Here's my two cents worth.
I find using a uniform color for barding across the army makes the force look cohesive. White is ideal for this, but hardly the only option. You can also use the 'field' color from your general's heraldry. That way even if every knight has his own individual heraldry, it's not a complete cacophony of color.
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Post by bigal on Feb 17, 2018 23:39:26 GMT
I've played brets a little (like under 50 games) and I've play tested several options until I came up with a list I like. Here's my (ancient) experience: -Questing knights are not worth their points in 8th ed -You need at least two units of 12 knights (preferably one big grail unit) -Your BSB and general are better off in the same unit since your general can fight challenges and your BSB is more for combat res and non-character fights, plus it keeps your bubble together and not spread out -Use 6 packs of KotR as chaff killers, they do it really well and are inexpensive, plus they are core points -A unit of 4 peg knights are also great at war machine hunting, as well as more chaff killers -Always have a unit of at least 9 Errants with the errantry banner in your list, they are the cheapest knights and one of the few units with str 6 on the charge -You need more than one mage to have a strong magic phase, I use a lvl4 heavens, and a lvl2 beast, the beast mage makes your cheap hero characters a big threat when they can get buffs, the heavens mage is there for the rerolling spell -Brets don't need HKB, they have speed and heavy hitters on their side -If you haven't done much research on Alexander the Great and his war tactics, you should. But he basically used 75% of his forces and attacked 30% of the enemy, then took that 75% and attacked another 30%. I say this because brets have a narrow foot print and can slam two units of knights into a single unit of just about anything, making sure that you kill it and overrun, you don't want to get stuck in combat and lose lance bonuses, that is your major priority.
Here's the latest version of my bret list, maybe you can take some things from it to adapt to your list:
Lord: WS10 armor, KB lance, dragonbane gem, virtue of Audacity BSB: virtue of duty, banner of the lady, shield, lance Lvl4: on horse, silvered mirror Lvl2: on horse, dispel scroll
8 Errantry knights: FC, banner of errants (lvl2's unit) 10 KotR: FC, war banner (Gen + BSB's unit) 9 KotR: FC 6 KotR 4 Peg Knights 11 Grail knights: banner, musc (lvl4's unit) Treb Basically the general's unit charges at a not stubborn unit and breaks through on the charge from negating rank bonuses for combat res, it then punches a hole in army. I use the big Grail knights unit to take on monsters or other knights.
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Post by Bret Friend on Feb 18, 2018 1:24:03 GMT
Why not use the EEFL army list? If you are making a new 8th edition Bretonnian army go all the way in?
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