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Post by knoffles on Dec 1, 2017 23:44:01 GMT
There is a town called Tewksbury in the west of England. It's famous for a couple of things, having a large abbey and finding itself under 6 foot of water every time the sky sneezes. What it's not well known for is a small known fact that it has flags with heraldry hanging from most of the buildings in the centre of town.  I'm sure this has done some form of subliminal messaging into me and combined with the fact that I normally try and go for the polar opposite of the army I last used, meant that it could only be Bretonnians. I love the idea of an all mounted army and seeing mottdon 's mounted empire list has just cemented that this will be the next one. So with that in mind, I've put together a first attempt list. It has a bit of everything so I can try out a number of units and has nothing ground breaking. It's quite nice to actually decide to use lore of Life for the first time too! I've put the characters next to the units I expect to put them in. I've never used or played against Bret's so any advice on them will be well received. In terms of what I own already, very little, 20 archers, a mounted bsb, damsel on foot + mounted and 10 or so knights so i'm not committed to anything. I'll likely use fireforge models for most of the knights if only because ebay prices tend to be ridiculous (and they should be releasing a fantasy set of 12 knights shortly, to go with their historic Templar/teutonic knights). Lord (General) - Birthsword of Carcassonne, Gromril Great helm, Crown of Command, shield - 234pts Knights of the Realm (11), Musician, Standard, Standard of Discipline - 303pts Prophetess - lvl 4 life, barded horse, silver mirror, mane of the purebred - 311pts Grail Knights (8) - Musician, Standard, Banner of Swiftness - 349pts Paladin (BSB) - Gold Sigil Sword, Enchanted Shield, Dawnstone, Questing Vow - 132pts Questing Knights (8) - Musician, Standard - 251pts Damsel - lvl 2 Beasts, barded horse, dispel scroll - 144pts Knights Errant (8) - Musician, Standard, Errantry Banner - 201pts Pegasus Knights (3) - 165pts Mounted Yeomen (6) - shield - 96pts Peasant Bowmen (10) - Braziers - 65pts Peasant Bowmen (10) - Braziers - 65pts Field Trebuchet - 90pts Field Trebuchet - 90pts Total - 2496pts |
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Post by frozenfood on Dec 2, 2017 18:38:13 GMT
Is thethe damsel going solo? Otherwise you do not need barding.
Yeomen...never tried them.
Excellent choice of army!
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Post by knoffles on Dec 3, 2017 14:59:53 GMT
Good call on the barding, that will give a few extra points. The yeoman seemed a cheap blocker/distraction unit and come with both bows and spears so seemed quite versatile. No idea what they are actually like
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Post by Bluke on Dec 3, 2017 16:02:46 GMT
I think if I was playing purely to try to win with Brets I would include two trebchets, which you have, and as many peasant bowmen as I could, as they are extremely cheap and have a 30 inch range as well as the defensive stakes.
Finally, there's a virtue that gives heroic killing blow. I'd be tempted to put that on the general and have him on a pegasus, or a horse if facing canons. It's shit or bust but winning with Bretonnias takes some doing.
I think in some tournament packs I've seen all of the knights are given deverstating charge, which makes them a bit better, although this isn't an official rule.
Problem seems to be with Brets that you charge infnatry, they fight back because of step up and kill a couple of your knights, then they don't break because of steadfast. Then everything charges you in your massive lance formation flanks. All of this is new in 8th ed and Brets gained nothing to counter it.
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Post by knoffles on Dec 3, 2017 17:33:47 GMT
Well I like a challenge in an army and no one ever accused me of picking armies based on power level 😀.
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Post by frozenfood on Dec 3, 2017 18:23:40 GMT
Green knight is a fabulous model but when I fielded him, he was the only one left standing. So mixed feelings about him.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Dec 3, 2017 22:12:42 GMT
Well I play a themed army See this link Now I’m not going to critique your list. Brets are difficult to play properly as their list hasn’t been updated in 8th, wasn’t updated in 7th either but I’ll just sound bitter if I go on. They were my main tournament army in 8th and I won zero tournaments, to be honest I never expected to win any games with them given the limited unit sizes (5-15 for KotR) and rules such as steadfast. However when you DO win a game it’s great! Now I’ve added to my archers, I’ve got another 30 to paint up, I’ve got around 50. I used them in a game a few months ago as two units of 40. It didn’t work… missile fire in 8th just isn’t effective enough. I can do the math hammer if you wish but I’ll leave it to the experts. I never bothered with any questing knights as when I started to collect the army there was an issue with great weapons being mounted, in 7th they were only +1 S for example. I like the update on the Heroic killing blow (virtue of heroism) meaning you can take a magic sword but it’s also interesting you’ve now gone down this route. I like the yeomen but I’d consider a musician – only because when they run and yes they will run (or die) the +1 to rally can be useful. Crown of command is really good but I tend to put that on a mage, usually a Prophetess. As normal lore of life is only useful with ToV so it’s what you want to get, Earth blood is as good as the blessing so unless you have throne it’s a waste. Beasts is good but it’s character orientated, pelt and savage beast but to buff your troops there’s nothing better than Wyssans (remember on the knights you cast it on a 9+) gotta say I’ve a regular opponent that doesn’t take a dispel scroll (he regularly plays daemons so has gotton used to it but you have the chance of taking two so why the hell not I say. I don’t usually bother with heavens as this needs to be a Lord choice and I tend to go with beasts but by all means give it a go! Magical banners. Discipline is an obvious one but one of my favourites has to be chalons. BSB’s in this edition get a real kicking so while the banner of the lady is useful (situational) the banner of defence is worth a look on units that cost a lot (Grail knights) remember grail knights are just as easy to kill as normal knights. Also remember (you probably know this already) but watch them against high elves with the BotWD. So. My own army (bit of mutual learning here) I’m adding a large (long) unit of men at arms (who btw are useless) to get around the steadfast rule (I’ll be 8 ranks deep, not many longer, a few I grant you but not many) I like fielding the HKB Lord on a Pegasus but also the silver lance of the blessed Lord is a nice choice especially against Nurgle daemon princes. Apart from that I’m steering away from massed ranks of archers (I still have 30 to paint up and now no incentive to finish them) you’ll need support units as something you’ll find it that the lance formation is LONG so if you don’t roll high when pursuing your foe you’ll be flank charged. I think there’s more negatives to playing Brets then there are positives but as a painted army on the table I believe they turn more heads than most, they look great and are one of the few armies you could believe exist in history (barring the pegasi) so people tend to like them as a whole, pity they don’t play as well as they used to do it previous editions. Greg |
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Post by mottdon on Dec 3, 2017 22:41:58 GMT
Once Bitten was rather efficient with them back before he switched to 9th age. You might check out a lot of his games. Good stuff.
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Post by knoffles on Dec 3, 2017 23:04:05 GMT
Cheers gregwarhamsters, I was hoping you’d offer some advice as what I see as the main Bret player here. Will definitely move the CoC around and look at some of the other banners. I’m a compulsive list tinkerer so it will change half a dozen times in the next few weeks at least. |
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Post by Naitsabes on Dec 3, 2017 23:08:31 GMT
we had a guy here who was a real fiend with Brets. He played them exclusively for years, went to GTs and did well. The whole nine yards.
The way he played was initially prancing around with the knight buses while distracting your stuff with mounted yeomen and pegasus knights, going for war machines as possible. Then there was one glorious charge, maybe on turn 3 or 4 where he piled two or ideally three knight buses with all characters into an expensive unit. That is a horrendous number of S5/6 attacks and the knight formations are deep enough to then break steadfast of the few guys that are left standing. Then he followed up with a few more turns of prancing and trying not to give up too many points. And...win for Bretonnia. Well, not always, but, quite often actually.
It certainly takes some skills and lots of practice (not to mention patience) to pull this off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 21:05:57 GMT
Brets are pretty cool. I look forward to seeing all the color and heraldry that a force like this has to offer!
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Dec 7, 2017 21:13:50 GMT
Brets are pretty cool. I look forward to seeing all the color and heraldry that a force like this has to offer! I have themed my army but have now decided to do the Grail knights in individual heraldry. I have get around to that. Greg |
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Dec 8, 2017 1:29:07 GMT
Love that pic of the heraldry.
Any idea what colors you gonna go with?
Or - Do you know yet...
If your whole army will be one color theme (i.e. every mini is blue & yellow), or -
If you might just splash all sorts of cool colors all over the place from unit to unit,
Heck, even from mini to mini withing a unit. Green dude next to black dude next to white & red dude.
etc.
If any army can pull ANY of those options off, 'tis the Brets.
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Post by mottdon on Dec 8, 2017 3:47:46 GMT
Yeah, when I was just getting started all those years ago, i STRONGLY considered Bret's as my army because of all the various, vibrant heraldry that they could assemble. I went with Empire instead because I already had a good start with them from the 6th edition starter set.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 17:16:43 GMT
Love that pic of the heraldry. Any idea what colors you gonna go with? Or - Do you know yet... If your whole army will be one color theme (i.e. every mini is blue & yellow), or - If you might just splash all sorts of cool colors all over the place from unit to unit, Heck, even from mini to mini withing a unit. Green dude next to black dude next to white & red dude. etc. If any army can pull ANY of those options off, 'tis the Brets. IF/when I get around to Brets I'm going to do this. I so desperately want to see an army of all/mostly cavalry with EVERY SINGLE MODEL painted up in different colors/heraldry. My brother has a large force of Brets so I even have access to the models if I ever want them. Now if I could only convince him to play with them... |
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