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Post by gjnoronh on Feb 22, 2018 18:19:00 GMT
Al I'll say having played since 3rd I think a lot of the things that people felt were concerns when 8th launched ended up not being an issue.
Premeasuring made a huge difference in reducing arguments about charge ranges/wheels etc. Honestly one of my favorite changes in 8th as it made the game less about arguing things out or spending time painstakingly measure wheels inch by inch.
Random charges were great as it made the game about balancing odds, risks and tactics and not just am I 8.25 inches away or 7.75 inches away guesses.
I didn't particularly like the army books for 8th but honestly the power imbalances in 7th ed army books wasn't a great situation either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:03:42 GMT
It's still possible with some clever positioning to block charges and make them impossible to complete. Using friendly units to block wheels so it's impossible to "close the door", using friendly units to force overruns/wheels into awkward positions, using friendly units at irregularly spaced intervals to make it hard for enemy units to fit into/through gaps, etc... It's actually a valid argument for MSU style of play as it allows the use of these multiple smaller units to jam up the big ones making it nearly impossible to get them to move anywhere. The whole "measure to the target then place them in combat" isn't necessarily an accurate depiction of charges in 8th edition; MOST of them maybe. I find with 8th it's now more about placement and angles and as gjnoronh says balancing odds, risks, and tactics then just straight up being able to eyeball a distance. A change which I'm ecstatic about. And as I've mentioned before, units on average charge much further now; hell I've seen dwarfs complete 14" charges before, something they couldn't DREAM about doing in previous editions.
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Post by vulcan on Feb 23, 2018 1:22:57 GMT
It was a skill, and it mattered for charges as well. The rules for moving chargers were complex and limited, which made for another tactics part of the game (only one wheel, and you had to measure every inch of movement). I still have my arc of sight which has the pivot wheel. I don't like 8th's childish: 'roll dice, measure shortest distance, pick up unit and place in contact' that was my biggest problem with 8th when it came out. The 7 (and previous) edition charge rules resulted in armies shuffling around for five turns right on the edge of charge range hoping the other guy would blow it and wind up in charge range... assuming both players were skilled in premeasur... er, remembering from last turn's shooting, or from measuring terrain while setting up, or from leaning on the table and extending your forearm (which you had premeasured) or... well, any of a hundred ways to cheat that particular rule. It was only the really honest players who actually played it as intended, and they got hammered for being honest. If you roll the dice, pick up the unit, and place in contact, you played it wrong. You may have been allowed unlimited movement to get into contact, but you still have to make a legal move around obstacles and other units. Go back and try playing it right, you might be surprised at how childish it is NOT.
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Post by bigal on Feb 24, 2018 4:06:30 GMT
I remember the time Big Al was playing DL at the GW Baltimore GT around 2005. Huge event about 120-150 players. Al is playing khorne DL led by a thirster of course and gets matched up against a beastman army that is entirely composed of 18-20 chariots (one with a character.) Turn 1 Al decides to put his blood thirster smack dab in the middle of the board. Opponent charges with like 7-9 chariots. Thirster survives the impact hits and attacks with his something like 7-9 attacks allocating one hit per chariot. Single strength 7 hit on every single chariot, _explodes_ every single chariot. At 4 wounds each x 7 or so chariots he did like 28-36 wounds of damage and wins combat. Just a totally epic moment. That was epic! I miss George I also had an epic battle at the Necro against Dave Hohmann's khorne DL, I let him have the charge on my BT with his BT, mine was kitted out a little better, but that was the first GT that allowed the 7th ed demon book. I miss all the excitement and fun you get at GTs, and I really miss getting Kevin drunk at 1AM and listening to him yell at his opponent after game 9 of the day lol. I'm not saying that's exactly how it goes with charges, but it's pretty close!
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Post by gjnoronh on Feb 26, 2018 16:14:17 GMT
bigal dude come to Da Boyz this year - play whatever system you like. We had Kevin and Chris OBrien out this last year. I'm highly biased but I think it's a very fun event. Gary
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Post by bigal on Feb 26, 2018 22:27:56 GMT
bigal dude come to Da Boyz this year - play whatever system you like. We had Kevin and Chris OBrien out this last year. I'm highly biased but I think it's a very fun event. Gary When is it? Is 8th edition still a 5 game tourney?
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Post by gjnoronh on Feb 27, 2018 13:46:42 GMT
bigal I'm still working on negotiations with the hotel. Right now I'm shooting for November 9-11. 8th ed event is run by Coleman and Rich and they decide each year what they are going to do it's evolved. I ran the 2015 event and that was a 5 game tournament, 2016 was a two day mega battle, 2017 was one day of triumph and treacher, one day of storm of magic and one day of a 3 day tournament. Gary
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Post by KevinC on Mar 11, 2018 14:53:41 GMT
Al I'll say having played since 3rd I think a lot of the things that people felt were concerns when 8th launched ended up not being an issue. Premeasuring made a huge difference in reducing arguments about charge ranges/wheels etc. Honestly one of my favorite changes in 8th as it made the game less about arguing things out or spending time painstakingly measure wheels inch by inch. Random charges were great as it made the game about balancing odds, risks and tactics and not just am I 8.25 inches away or 7.75 inches away guesses. I didn't particularly like the army books for 8th but honestly the power imbalances in 7th ed army books wasn't a great situation either. --------This is absolutely correct. One reason why 8th is the best!
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