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Post by alanthemoderate on Apr 16, 2018 5:46:34 GMT
Hey everyone, I haven't really had too much time to post on this forum of late... And well now that I think about it I wasn't a member too long before I became horribly busy so I guess I just haven't posted much, but getting back on subject.
As I seem to mention every chance I get, I am a relatively new (Compared to most of you longbeards at least) player to Warhammer Fantasy, and even Warhammer in general. I am looking for a bit of advice on how to continue my hobby in your folks opinion.
So, for Fantasy I have 3 armies, Brets, Skaven, and (Mostly not tabletop ready) Tomb Kings, alongside my 40k armies of T'au, Imperial Knights, and Dark Eldar. Finally here is the actual question, should I focus on getting a new army (I just got a new job that about doubles my income), or should I focus more on making sure everything I have is painted and only buy new models when I am ready to paint them too?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 16, 2018 7:58:12 GMT
As boda327 posted in a recent thread:
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Post by sedge on Apr 16, 2018 10:55:15 GMT
It's your hobby, so whatever you want! You'll find people have a whole range of opinions on this - some don't play with anything other than fully painted and based models; others are quite happy to play for years with entirely unpainted armies.
A couple of things to consider:
1) What do your regular opponents do? While it's your hobby, the warhammer fantasy community is small, and it's worth taking your friends' opinions into account (and vice versa). If they always play with fully painted armies, check they're happy with playing against an unpainted one while you work on something new.
2) You've got the rest of your life to paint models, but that unit/character you really like won't be for sale forever, and ebay can be expensive once something is out of production.
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Post by knoffles on Apr 16, 2018 19:14:10 GMT
No. 2. Good advice. I love building models, less so painting them but I now live in fear of all the WFB models being discontinued so have been buying the bits I’m missing (especially around high/wood elf and dwarf ranges as these definitely look on the way out).
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Post by mottdon on Apr 16, 2018 19:58:23 GMT
Yeah, that really scares me when I think about it. And right now, I'm super-glad that I collected as many Tomb Kings as I did several years ago! We all know that AoS is slowly phasing out all 8th edition models, and just keeping the most recent and popular ones for their "new" armies (like Witch Elves). Better gather up your Hammerers, boys! A unit of ten of those guys will sell for HUNDREDS of dollars soon!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 20:55:13 GMT
Don't spend yourself into the poor house, but by all means buy those miniatures from GW that you're after.
I was actually just thinking the other day that GW seems to be moving towards a newer line, one where all the models and images are easily copy-writable. You don't really see them releasing new models for the "dwarves" or the "elves" anymore, instead they're releasing "Idoneth Deepkin", "Daughters of Khaine", and "Kharadron Overlords". Models that are clearly supposed to be elves or dwarves, but whose looks have been changed.
I'm already seeing it at my local FLGS these days. AoS night doesn't consist of Skaven/lizardmen/chaos (the slaves to darkness kind) fighting elves/humans/dwarves anymore, now everything is Sylvaneth, Khaine, Overlords, Bloodbound, Maggotkin, Changehosts, and lets not forget STORMCAST ETERNALS.
The older armies are slowly being phased out. I just don't think a lot of people are realizing it yet.
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Post by mottdon on Apr 16, 2018 21:13:25 GMT
Oh yeah they are!
I've been saying this was coming since they first announced that AoS was coming and "you can still use your old models". It has always been about IP ownership for GW. This has just been their business model of slowly releasing their new game so that players don't realize that all of their 8th edition models are no longer good with the current game. Period. No "if's", "and's" or "but's".
I also suspect that this "phasing out" of 8th edition models are why they announced that they'd be selling limited release selections of older models. They assume that people (like us) are starting to catch on to what they are doing. They don't want a backlash to suddenly stymie their AoS sales.
As soon as people catch on to this, eBay is going to be virtually useless for guys like us. The prices will be utterly ridiculous. Tomb Kings is the perfect example of what it will become. All armies will be around those costs. I've been breaking my neck trying to collect anything and everything that I might possibly want to play in the future as soon as GW announced the End Times books. This is also why sites like this one are so important for us to keep going if we want 8th to continue.
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Post by gjnoronh on Apr 16, 2018 21:44:51 GMT
Agree it's all about IP protection - and this all came about after GW lost the Chapterhouse law suit. If you are familiar with that case a company named Chapterhouse was making 'space marines' essentially the same appearance as GW's and selling them as 'space marines.' GW lost the law suit about IP protection because the judge ruled that "Space Marine" was a generic term that couldn't copy right. Shortly thereafter we had AoS and 40K switching to 'Adeptes Astartes' and 'Astra Militarum' instead of Space Marines and Imperial Guard.
That being said in the AoS era some armies (skaven for example and daemons) aren't likely changing as they've got a pretty solid GW esque look and naming conventions.
Some generic fantasy units (empire infantry, brettonians which are basically generic historicals and elves/dwarves) are going to be focused more on their IP specific lines.
Some armies/units however are actually not only carrying over unchanged for example Witch Elves and Ghouls/crypt horrors but have also had entire army books in the AoS era written for them for the first time - they aren't going anywhere.
That being said I think you are overestimating the old hammer demand vs current player demand. There aren't that many 3rd ed WFB fans driving prices on ebay for OOP items there are probably going to be less (or at best the same) number of 8th ed players in 3 years then there are now (our forums efforts not withstanding.) I'm generally speaking happy to give give or sell cheap some of my very old hammer stuff away (3rd-7th WFB.)
There are going to be lots of folks out there willing to make those kinds of trades in the future.
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Apr 16, 2018 22:21:56 GMT
As soon as people catch on to this, eBay is going to be virtually useless for guys like us. The prices will be utterly ridiculous. Useless? I am not 100% sure I understand - --Do you mean prices for a Tomb King mini on eBay will be very high? --Or do you mean mean prices for a Tomb King mini on eBay will be very low?
Supply is limited. We know this. If there is demand for old stuff, prices will be higher. I think we are seeing this right now. Example: me trying to find old metal Wood Elf dryads. They cost a lot. If there is little to no demand, prices will drop. I think this is where we'll be soon... if no one wants old stuff and it isn't selling, we'll find lots of stuff at bargain prices on eBay.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Apr 16, 2018 22:55:09 GMT
I currently have Brets, Dwarves and Tomb Kings, the Brets are closest to being finished. I'm kinda trying to resist buying more. For example I have almost every unit choice apart from questing knights and the Religuae. Thing is I may play 3000+ points so my 4 trebs will get used but (and we've had this discussion before) I don't see the point in getting extra.
Thing is what ever you do with your armies, you'll change or modify something and you'll start again. My Grail knights are back on the painting table undergoing a massive change. I don't think any gamer sits still, they're always doing something.
Greg
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Post by Naitsabes on Apr 17, 2018 0:05:55 GMT
I don't think 8th edition plastic models will become super-pricey. yes there is something happening for tk and brets but in general plastics on ebay haven't gone up as far as I can tell.
It's a matter of numbers. there are enough crazy old man to drive up the prices on 3rd edition metals and that is probably long term...until they die. but, even if there were the same number of middle-aged crazy men into 8th edition, there is orders of magnitude more stock.
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Apr 17, 2018 19:57:26 GMT
RE: Pricing on 8th edition stuff, ref plastic models - I can find many (but not all) of the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Start Collecting! boxes for $72.25 versus $85 list on Amazon.
Under list price seems good. But these are not 3rd edition rare metals.
Just a data point... or 4....
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Post by grandmasterwang on Apr 19, 2018 1:16:37 GMT
All I know is that decently priced plastic tomb guard are damn near impossible to find.
To the topic starter, I think buy what you feel like and paint what you are feeling. This hobby is unique in that you might find random inspiration in strange places. By all means focus on one army at a time but variety is the spice of life and can prevent burnout.
GW annoys me with their stupid names. I have the newest White Dwarf and Dark Eldar will always be Dark Eldar no matter the stupid new name they have been given.
Idoneth Deepkin isn't imo a bad name and I'm happy to call any Warhammer fantasy underwater based elf armies that.
Regarding the IP protection...some companies seem to blatantly rip off things like Space marines and produce helmets/guns for them and seemingly GW can't do anything about this even though they own the names...... looking at you Kromlech.
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Post by Horace on Apr 19, 2018 10:44:14 GMT
Yeah, that really scares me when I think about it. And right now, I'm super-glad that I collected as many Tomb Kings as I did several years ago! We all know that AoS is slowly phasing out all 8th edition models, and just keeping the most recent and popular ones for their "new" armies (like Witch Elves). Better gather up your Hammerers, boys! A unit of ten of those guys will sell for HUNDREDS of dollars soon! *cough* Recasts *cough* Ahem.. To answer the OP, I would just do what you feel like doing. I personally do not play with models which are not painted. But that does not stop me having a massive drawer full to the brim with unpainted models. I mix my painting up between getting my "new" army of Chaos Dwarfs battle-ready, or supplementing my existing armies with whatever model I feel like painting or want to use in an upcoming battle. If you want to start on a new army why not? You don't have to buy or paint the entire army in one go
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Post by strutsagget on Apr 19, 2018 16:27:22 GMT
I would mix it up. If you can afford it buy it. Its a great hobby to collect. Painting takes time, and sometimes you feel like painting something newly acquired instead of the second row of that 50 unit horde you will use next game.
Sometimes that army/building you have dreamt of just pops up on eBay or a friendly listing.
Remember if you buy pre-owned it is also possible to sell it if you don't use it after a year or two and hopefully don't lose too much of a profit.
But hey you are asking a bunch of plastic crack addicts if you should but more plastic cack so we are kind of biased.
Regarding IP: let's leave this thread out of it...
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