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Post by gregr on Nov 29, 2018 20:21:30 GMT
Am I the only one who likes the Bret knights..... nope, I like the knights a lot and it’s why I’ve gone in on the KS. They’ll go really well with the three 3rd ed. Empire knights I own. I am quite tempted. I like the paladin fig as well!
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Post by avatarofbugman on Nov 29, 2018 23:38:14 GMT
Those are what I think look cool. Different in style from GW, but nice sculpts as they stand. Am I the only one who likes the Bret knights.....
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Post by KevinC on Nov 30, 2018 14:56:36 GMT
I think what they are doing is cool, but I'll never support or forgive them for their role in assisting to destroy WFB.
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Post by DiscoQing on Nov 30, 2018 15:56:29 GMT
I think what they are doing is cool, but I'll never support or forgive them for their role in assisting to destroy WFB. How so? Do you mean by setting up a new game, instead of encouraging WFB?
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Post by mottdon on Nov 30, 2018 17:28:12 GMT
Well, yeah. If we had all stuck together and supported 8th edition, then GW would've been forced to revive it. They essentially split the community and once divided, we simply don't have the strength in numbers to present any real threat to GW.
Games Workshop will never make a 9th edition, or support any group that does. There's no profit in it for them. BUT if there were ENOUGH 8th edition supporters, all GW would have to do is merely acknowledge a game which they already own and have existing material for, and keep producing products for it, like they are currently doing with these limited-time classic model releases. Even writing a set of rules for the new "modified" models for our 8th edition armies (like Kurinos Hunters for Wood Elves), wouldn't take very much effort. A flier insert for each box or a rules section on their website. Not hard to do AT ALL.
Unfortunately, there were so many Fantasy players who WANTED a new game, that they wound up splitting the community when they started 9th age. Just like kids on a playground, who don't like the way a game is being called by a referee, they just said, "Hey, we're going to start our OWN game over here! Any who want to play with FUN rules, can come join us!" When 90% of people playing a specific game, have a real problem with the way it is being called, then the official will have to take an internal look at the way he's officiating, thinking, "Maybe I AM doing something wrong". But when people leave the game, and only about 30% remaining are having problems, then he'll do nothing.
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Post by Naitsabes on Nov 30, 2018 18:11:13 GMT
I don't get the hate for T9A. The problem is the vast majority of people left proper warhammer as soon as GW told them to. That the few remaining went into different directions really doesn't matter. The tournament and 'balance' focused people coming up with their own ruleset (and finding out along the way it maybe isn't as easy as it first seemed to do better than GW) is fine by me. And if it leads to more 3rd party miniature options, great.
I am unhappy about the people who quit as soon as it become clear there wouldn't be regularly spoon-fed new shinies (and locally virtually nobody went into AoS. some 40K, many have just disappeared altogether as far as I can tell). The magnificent warhammer world is still there, 30 years of models (great and not-so-great) are still there on ebay. just nobody playing here.
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Post by KevinC on Nov 30, 2018 18:46:26 GMT
I think what they are doing is cool, but I'll never support or forgive them for their role in assisting to destroy WFB. How so? Do you mean by setting up a new game, instead of encouraging WFB? ---------My words read more harsh then I mean, but what mottdon said. Further, I was shocked at how fast the WFB "fan base" fled from the game. Some players even stopped WFB a month before AOS even was released. I was shocked, and still am, how players, who had been playing the game for 10+ years, just shrugged and moved on - immediately! So, rather than having a united group of WFB players across the world, WFB players split up into all starting new and different game systems instead of WFB (i.e. 9th Age, Kings of War, etc.). It's almost like people had been waiting patiently for years to see WFB fall. When we first started this site in fact, a 9th Age player came on here to try and point out that WFB was dead and that the 9th Age forum was more active. Anyway, I hope those players are having fun. I know I'm still having a blast playing WFB 8th Edition.
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Nov 30, 2018 19:02:19 GMT
I never got the "X system is dead, play something else!" crowd because, while it's true of many systems(most of which died because they had such a small player base to begin with), there's plenty of examples of some games with such sizable, dedicated fanbases(Heroclix, Battletech, OGRE, Mutant Chronicles, etc.) that continued playing despite being "dead" despite signs of hope and that were rewarded with revivals.
While most of my not playing 9th Age or KoW has mostly to do with them feeling soulless compared to WFB, the constant use by their players that "WFB is dead" smacks more of trying to convince people to play their rip-off of choice rather than it being actually true.
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Post by DiscoQing on Nov 30, 2018 19:02:22 GMT
I've played T9A, and will every now & then, as lots of people around these parts play it (also Firestorm Games puts on events for it every couple of months).
But I can categorically say, it is NOT a replacement for warhammer, it is sickeningly sterile & encroachingly less and less fun. It is still similar to warhammer, and 99% of the units function the same, but magic is radically different and absolutely dull.
Balance is one thing - but it has come at a cost, with armies losing character / direction / theme. And a lot of knee-jerk reactions from their design teams, who nerf certain rules/units/items when players voice their annoyance at them. Leading to more & more less interesting games.
I can't wait for them to change it enough that they make my friends who play it realise that it's a dross, fickle & lifeless game.
Rant over. Lol
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Post by DiscoQing on Nov 30, 2018 19:04:29 GMT
I wonder if we can get some sort of online campaign going, to show GW there are people willing to play a rule set supported by them...
They don't even need to make specific models for it - just release rules that share AoS models...
Hmm...
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Post by strutsagget on Nov 30, 2018 19:09:44 GMT
Hm... I thought earlier about doing a player finder app. But online massive campaign app sounds interesting too
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Nov 30, 2018 19:10:37 GMT
I wonder if we can get some sort of online campaign going, to show GW there are people willing to play a rule set supported by them... They don't even need to make specific models for it - just release rules that share AoS models... Hmm...
I believe that's part of the point of the Age of Rebuilding guys.
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Post by DiscoQing on Nov 30, 2018 19:15:23 GMT
Was ist AoR?
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Nov 30, 2018 20:32:51 GMT
www.facebook.com/groups/583687008756874/about/From the group description: What if the End Times had gone the other way? What if the Old World had survived? This is a group for dedicated fans of the Warhammer Fantasy world to create an ongoing narrative continuation (or continuations) of rich, deep, mysterious world of Warhammer Fantasy.
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Post by gregr on Nov 30, 2018 20:53:43 GMT
To be fair, I can see the arguments about splitting groups etc.
However, I walked away from GW around a decade ago when they kept hiking the prices to beyond palatable to a student so I'm ok with multiple 3rd party miniature makers.
I ended up getting back into WFB when I joined my local club when I took up historical gaming and then got my Dwarves out of retirement in the last couple of months.
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