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Post by sonofkurnos on Oct 4, 2022 15:09:42 GMT
Just checking this is commonly accepted...
Waystalker has sniper, and hawk eyed watcher... This means he can chose multiple shots (2) or no armour...
The Bow of Loren says it is A+1 but can't be used with magic arrows
I assume that I can have a waystalker shooting the bow of Loren, with ignore armour saves shots with sniper...as neither the sniper, nor the ignore armour saves shots are 'magic arrows '
Secondly, given the choice as similar points - if your list is majority shooting...what is more useful
The above or a hero in an archer unit with hail of doom arrows?
That right?
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Post by oldmandan on Oct 4, 2022 16:48:30 GMT
Yes that is correct. With regards to the second point both are viable and have merit but it comes down to situation. If you want to take out heroes such as a necromancer I use the waystalker and the fast shots to get three hits in to maximise chance of taking the hero out but again depends on the target. This I've found to be the most useful for me. If I'm fighting Skaven or dwarfs I try and squeeze in the Hail of doom and focus all shooting on one unit. Does that help?
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Post by sonofkurnos on Oct 4, 2022 18:34:49 GMT
I don't think the waystalker can get three shots...
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Post by oldmandan on Oct 4, 2022 19:04:59 GMT
This came up previously on the forum. He can because of the way the abilities work. For instance although well aimed shot only grants one hit, the bow of loren adds an additional hit due to its rules, the same for the quick shots which would change his profile to multiple shots 2, then the bow of loren would kick in and add one more.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Oct 4, 2022 21:13:36 GMT
This did indeed come up previously in this thread. An FAQ seems warranted in this case, but will not be forthcoming; so, we have to try to make the best of the rules as they are. As midnightfox said, the Multiple Shots special rule does not stack, but the "aimed shot" of the Hawk-eyed Archer would stack with Multiple Shots of the Bow of Loren. The question regarding Sniper is more complicated: as was observed, it boils down to what is considered "shooting normally". BRB p. 77: "A model with the Sniper special rule can make a special Sniper shot instead of shooting normally." Shooting normally is best understood as following the normal rules of shooting - which certainly does not include Multiple Shots. Indeed, the MS rule itself specifies that you still can always opt to fire only once with no extra penalties- as per the normal rules of shooting. So, you can choose one of these (mutually exclusive) options: 1. fire normally 2. use the MS special rule 3. use the Sniper special rule. However, the "aimed shot" (despite its name) is not a rule pertaining to normal shooting, but to using armour saves. That is why I would argue that the "aimed shot" of the Hawk-eyed Archer special rule will stack with the Sniper special rule. |
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Post by sonofkurnos on Oct 5, 2022 4:54:22 GMT
This came up previously on the forum. He can because of the way the abilities work. For instance although well aimed shot only grants one hit, the bow of loren adds an additional hit due to its rules, the same for the quick shots which would change his profile to multiple shots 2, then the bow of loren would kick in and add one more. I don't see how they would stack though as they both grant multiple shot, which doesn't stack... The BoL doesn't just give +1 shot, it instead grants "multiple shot (A+1)". The +1 is contained within the special rule phrasing. Any time we'd look at the BoL to work out it's number of shots, we'd have to fully do that equation to find out The hawk eyed warrior rule says, 'if the former is chosen, the models missile weapon has the multiple shot (2) special rule for the duration of that attack'. So, if I choose the former them my BoL has either Multiple shot (A+1), or multiple shot (2), but not a combination of the two, as Multiple shot rules don't stack...which both affects are |
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Post by oldmandan on Oct 5, 2022 5:57:25 GMT
Yes, that seems the case. Just read through the previous forum thread. Interesting, makes deciding who to equip the Bow of Loren with harder. I probably will continue to give it to a waystalker but not bother using the fast shot ability.
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Post by oldmandan on Oct 5, 2022 6:14:02 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread. I had always thought that because fast shot and BoL were two different sources of multiple shot that they would stack.
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Post by sonofkurnos on Oct 5, 2022 7:06:56 GMT
Yes, that seems the case. Just read through the previous forum thread. Interesting, makes deciding who to equip the Bow of Loren with harder. I probably will continue to give it to a waystalker but not bother using the fast shot ability. Yeah, it seems that 2 sniper shots with no armour at BS7 is still pretty boss, right? Beast wizard to get savage beast on too though might work well ? |
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Post by oldmandan on Oct 5, 2022 7:45:51 GMT
Yes definitely, I did try that in my last game (BBC, before baby came) but my mate dispelled it saying I don't think so š.
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Post by knoffles on Oct 26, 2022 18:00:19 GMT
Yes, that seems the case. Just read through the previous forum thread. Interesting, makes deciding who to equip the Bow of Loren with harder. I probably will continue to give it to a waystalker but not bother using the fast shot ability. Yeah, it seems that 2 sniper shots with no armour at BS7 is still pretty boss, right? Beast wizard to get savage beast on too though might work well ? Savage beast does add to his attacks which can make him brutal! Iām a fan of running duel waystalkers, one with the BOL. 3 sniper shots a turn normally works pretty well. |
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