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Post by KevinC on Jan 30, 2018 14:53:12 GMT
As part of a "Goblin-kind" kick starter, this is a Grand Shaman riding a Goliath Spider. The artwork is cool, looking forward to seeing the model...
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 30, 2018 15:05:31 GMT
As part of a "Goblin-kind" kick starter, this is a Grand Shaman riding a Goliath Spider. The artwork is cool, looking forward to seeing the model... Do tou have kickstarter link?
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Post by KevinC on Jan 30, 2018 15:27:47 GMT
It's "coming soon," not up yet..
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 30, 2018 15:59:40 GMT
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Post by mottdon on Jan 30, 2018 16:11:57 GMT
Looks awesome! I was even thinking about getting a new A-Rock with a Spider Shrine build. This could work perfectly! Please keep us updated about this because I might be very interested in supporting it!
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Post by gjnoronh on Jan 30, 2018 16:21:40 GMT
Sheesh though to me this just feels like more IP infringement which I'm not a fan of. Art is indeed very cool but if you told me it was concept art for GW's Arachnarok I would believe you. To me that's a problem.
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Post by mottdon on Jan 30, 2018 16:30:40 GMT
Shoot. I could care less about GW's IP policy. For me, the more options, the better! Now, if GW started selling their A-Rocks for $30, then I might be more inclined to support them in protecting their concepts. But as it is right now, I've been gouged enough with the silly price range.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 16:51:13 GMT
It looks...weird to me.
It's the legs. They look weird; like they're made of wood or something.
I am looking forward to seeing the model though; I'm all for more options for building out our armies.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Jan 30, 2018 17:00:24 GMT
Shoot. I could care less about GW's IP policy. For me, the more options, the better! Now, if GW started selling their A-Rocks for $30, then I might be more inclined to support them in protecting their concepts. But as it is right now, I've been gouged enough with the silly price range. I feel the same. I have no loyalty toward GW or their IP after all the price gouging they have done.
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 30, 2018 17:09:37 GMT
I have no feelings for IP in any situation and especially drawings and sculpts. GW wouldn't be much without copying Tolkien, Lovecraft and more. I totally love that they have copied and made a new story of it.
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Post by mottdon on Jan 30, 2018 17:24:53 GMT
Well, it really bugs me that they tried getting the IP for names like "Dwarf", "Orc" or "Elf". How stuck-up do you have to be to consider names like that yours?!? That's like me saying, "I am a man. Therefore, everyone else who calls themselves "man" has to have my permission first and then pay me royalties". That's why we now have Aelfs, etc. Seriously? No, no, no.
As long as you run a hobby/collecting product, you'll always have people making Bretonnian armies out of My Little Ponies. Its just gonna happen. You let those people do what they're gonna do, and you make a better product so that the rest simply don't want anything else. THAT'S what makes you top-dog.
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Post by gjnoronh on Jan 30, 2018 17:58:51 GMT
Maybe but to me a chunk of why there wasn't a 9th edition was people were still playing WFB 8th and buying other companies models to do it (Mantic in particular) if all those Mantic/Avatars of War etc purchases during 8th were instead made from GW we might have had a 9th edition.
Rules sales don't keep GW in business it's the mini sales. I don't mind someone else making a great product with their own great IP but using someone elses carefully created world and model designs to sell your own toys -just hurts the creators. GW is top dog but not so much so that those losses don't hurt. What's their incentive to keep coming out with great kits (and the Arachnarok is a great kit) if someone else is going to under cut them with the same look.
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 30, 2018 19:48:21 GMT
But if IP is the thing to keep your company alive you are doomed. Better focus on how to earn trust and loyalty of your customers by providing the best customer experience and value for your money/product. You don't even have to be cheap to do that you can still get away with being more expensive as long as you give more. Most people do understand that you should support the creator but its a limit to how much neglect you will take. I guess no one on this forum have less than $1000 (probably a lot more) spent on GW I would say we are a bit over the top with loyalty.
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Post by mottdon on Jan 30, 2018 21:01:51 GMT
Well, I agree with you, gjnoronh, that it sucks for other people to steal your product, but you have to ask, "Why are they able to steal our stuff?" Is it because we put different price points for kits of the same size, detail, amount of plastic, etc.? Maybe because we haven't produced a new product for years (looking at you Bretonnians) and other companies are filling the gap? Perhaps it is because we don't communicate or listen to our customers AT ALL? There really are a myriad of possibilities. So instead of addressing those problematic areas, they just try to push others out of business by controlling IP? Things like that don't fly well with anyone and I think they were the main contributing factors to people not spending as much money (as GW would've liked) on WFB.
That being said, it really looks like GW (under the new CEO) is turning things around in these aspects, releasing sites like Warhammer Community, actually talking and asking the advice of the community, getting back to meaningful content in White Dwarf, etc. It's all headed in a positive direction. It's a shame that the 30+ years WFB Old World evolution to 8th edition had to die in order for GW to turn things around as a company. Maybe one day they will resurrect massed battle, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Jan 31, 2018 6:12:16 GMT
Maybe but to me a chunk of why there wasn't a 9th edition was people were still playing WFB 8th and buying other companies models to do it (Mantic in particular) if all those Mantic/Avatars of War etc purchases during 8th were instead made from GW we might have had a 9th edition. Rules sales don't keep GW in business it's the mini sales. I don't mind someone else making a great product with their own great IP but using someone elses carefully created world and model designs to sell your own toys -just hurts the creators. GW is top dog but not so much so that those losses don't hurt. What's their incentive to keep coming out with great kits (and the Arachnarok is a great kit) if someone else is going to under cut them with the same look. I think GW created that issue to begin with. GW was by far the biggest player in the market. They had more resources, distribution and built-in fan loyalty than anyone lese. If they had played their cards right, no one else should have been able to undercut them. For instance, try to open a grocery store and undercut Walmart in regards to selling milk. You can't do it. Walmart can sell the milk for less than you can even if you made zero profit on it. That's because Walmart is dealing with bulk and selling such large quantities. The same is true for GW. They can produce and distribute a model for far less than any of their competitors. If they hadn't unnaturally jacked up their prices, they would pretty much still enjoy a virtual monopoly. Anyone else attempting to break into the market could only hope to serve the smallest of niche markets. Where did GW fail? Insane pricing, not releasing models for certain units, not updating certain lines, ignoring their fans and assuming the people would just continue to be 100% loyal no matter what. They have made some strides as of late, but alas it is too late for WFB. In my humble opinion, the only reason why GW was able to be undercut was because of the business decisions they made.
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