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Post by KevinC on Jun 3, 2018 23:48:51 GMT
While the new trilogy seems to end up to be less than the prequels, Absolutely not possible. I rewatched episode 2 recently. It might be the worst movie I've ever seen. --------Attack of the Clones is one of my favs. I can see the problems with the first hour (the Anakin and Padme scenes are bad), but the last hour is really good - the arena scene is great, the first clone wars battle, Dooku's lightsaber duels. A lot of little details can really do it for me - for example, when I first watched in the theater I thought it was so cool that Dooku had the Death Start plans, then Dooku used Force Lightening, etc. I like Jengo Fett better than Boba. The main problem in the movie, as I see it, is that the Anakin and Padme 'romance' scenes are so forced and so numerous. They should of had some cool bounty hunter track and hunt them the entire time on Naboo and Tatooine. The two should have be on the run and fending off against a bounty hunter or some other threat and let the romance stuff happen more naturally (like Han and Leia). The other element is that Anakin should have been written so that the audience loved him. But he acts like a spoiled brat and had a negative effect on the film. |
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Post by roughtimes on Jun 4, 2018 2:27:50 GMT
Totally agree on the misstep with the Anakin character.
The combination of the writing and his awful acting really hurt what could have been a very interesting character arc. I don't think there's any point in that movie that I like him even a little.
There's absolutely no emotion from the audience when he finally turns into Vader.
Sometimes I wonder if those three movies were made at the exact wrong time. The overuse of cgi really bothers me and they made some weird choices (jengo Fett, little kid Anakin, jar jar). I would love to see a different take on those stories.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 4, 2018 14:19:35 GMT
I doubt another take on Episodes 1-3 will ever happen.
I agree that they wrote Anakin all wrong. The BEST villains are ones in which you can relate and ALMOST understand their choice. It HAS to be an emotional struggle and moral debate, with the character ultimately making the wrong choice. In these movies, they just pushed a kid that was already evil over the edge (well, in 2 & 3 at least. Episode 1 was just a story about a goofy kid.)
I can't stand Portman as an actress either. She overacts her roles and isn't believable as Padme. There were SO MANY blank, emotionless expressions on her face the entire series! Every time I see that she is staring in a movie, I write it off as a flop.
Does anyone know why they didn't do the rolling script at the beginning of the movie? Is that something that is only saved for the main stories?
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Post by roughtimes on Jun 4, 2018 17:12:02 GMT
I'm positive they won't reboot episodes 1-3
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought rogue one was missing the scroll too
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Post by mottdon on Jun 4, 2018 19:40:50 GMT
I think it was, though I'll have to go back and re-watch it again. I wonder what their reason is for leaving it off those movies?
Also, isn't Boba Fett supposed to be the next movie in this line of backstory fillers? He really deserves something more than just being bumped into a sarlacc pit.
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Post by strutsagget on Jun 4, 2018 19:48:22 GMT
Obi wan kenobi is the next one right?
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Post by KevinC on Jun 4, 2018 20:37:23 GMT
I agree that they wrote Anakin all wrong. The BEST villains are ones in which you can relate and ALMOST understand their choice. ---------YES, a great example of this (and to throw some WFB in it) is Gav Thorpe's "Malekith" novel. The novel is about how Malekith becomes the Witch King of the Dark Elves. The story forces you to completely relate and like Malekith - he is basically the greatest High Elf leader alive and does EVERYTHING for Ulthuan. But the High Elves keep screwing him over and over again. So you're actually rooting for Malekith! Really good story. Regarding the rolling yellow scrolls, it appears they will just be for the movies that are labeled episodes. Rogue One and Solo did not have them. |
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Post by mottdon on Jun 4, 2018 20:37:32 GMT
You very well could be right. I thought I heard something about Boba Fett. I wonder what they could tell about Obi Wan that they haven't already? His childhood? Seriously, we already have his padawan story, seeing his mentor die, military training in the Clone Wars, raising of Anakin, and eventual self-exile leading to his death. Anything else could feel forced. (Pun intended  ) |
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Post by gjnoronh on Jun 4, 2018 20:42:14 GMT
I don't know much about Portman post Star Wars but I liked her in the prequels personally. I think acting against either Annakin and all that CGI is tough.
I think both Annakins were individually terrible.
Agree CGI overuse was a problem. What makes the original trilogy stand up is the use of practical effects that made the universe seem so real and lived in (the Falcon has decades of believable grime on it) CGI isn't going to accomplish that.
Back to Solo - still loving it.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Jun 5, 2018 1:08:29 GMT
Does anyone else feel like there are too many SW movies rolling out? I liked having years to digest what was going on. Mind you, I like Solo...but I only went because I ”had to”.
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Post by roughtimes on Jun 5, 2018 1:14:03 GMT
I think so.
One a year is probably ideal.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Jun 5, 2018 1:34:06 GMT
I think so. One a year is probably ideal. I was thinking more like one every 3 years. |
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Post by strutsagget on Jun 5, 2018 5:07:51 GMT
Sorry, can't get enough star wars movies. All will not be this good but if 1/3 is solo/rouge one good I definitely don't mind a lot of movies. They are almost the only movies I watch at cinemas, and I don't mind going to cinemas 2-4 times a year.
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Post by KevinC on Jun 5, 2018 11:11:06 GMT
Anakin, I think the problem is just with Attack of the Clones. The little boy in Episode I was fine, and the adult actor was 10x better in the Revenge of the Sith. The way Anakin was written in Episode II must have been a difficult part to play too, to be fair.
I want them to do a Clones Wars style movie. They could even have Mace as the main character, for any jedi really (other than anankin and obi wan). The main villain could be Assaji Ventress, Dooku's apprentice, which would be awesome and Dooku could have a short seem like Tarkin in Rogue One.
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Post by gjnoronh on Jun 5, 2018 11:46:25 GMT
I realize he's a child actor, but there are good and bad child actors. Good - see the Harry Potter team in general, bad little Annakin. Also notable not that great actors to recent mind - 2014 Jungle Book kid. Again lots of CGI probably added layers of difficulty but the kid wasn't believable as a kid. Part of the problem with the prequels IMO was Lucas wanted to make a film for his own children (and other children) to enjoy. Rather then setting out to make a great film for people of any age. An interesting article at the time. archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/19990322monday.html |
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