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Post by livewaaaaagh on Sept 18, 2018 5:26:11 GMT
livewaaaaagh , congratulations on acquiring Settra! Settra may join a unit of Skeleton Chariot unit as normal because he has the 'footprint' of two chariots. Standard chariots are 50x100 mm, Settra's chariot is 100x100 mm (so he takes up two spots in the unit). I really wish this was the case, but unfortunately the Tomb Kings FAQ (ver. 1.4) ruled otherwise: Q: Does Settra’s Chariot of the Gods count as two Chariots for the purposes of determining rank bonuses and the strength of any Impact Hits? (p53) A: No. Settra must be placed at the side of a unit because his base’s footprint is different to that of a normal Chariot (see When Footprints Collide on page 98 of Warhammer). It's a horrible ruling in my opinion, but it is what it is. Say it ain't so!
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Post by KevinC on Sept 18, 2018 11:53:26 GMT
livewaaaaagh , congratulations on acquiring Settra! Settra may join a unit of Skeleton Chariot unit as normal because he has the 'footprint' of two chariots. Standard chariots are 50x100 mm, Settra's chariot is 100x100 mm (so he takes up two spots in the unit). I really wish this was the case, but unfortunately the Tomb Kings FAQ (ver. 1.4) ruled otherwise: Q: Does Settra’s Chariot of the Gods count as two Chariots for the purposes of determining rank bonuses and the strength of any Impact Hits? (p53) A: No. Settra must be placed at the side of a unit because his base’s footprint is different to that of a normal Chariot (see When Footprints Collide on page 98 of Warhammer). It's a horrible ruling in my opinion, but it is what it is. ------------Wow. They messed that one up. His chariot has four horses on 25 mm bases that's 100 mm across, i.e. 2 regular chariots. Shrug. But ultimately it's not that big of a deal, just no chariots can rank up behind Settra's chariot.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 18, 2018 13:42:57 GMT
The FAQ is from 2013, and was correct, at least for that time. Originally, Settra was based on a 50x100mm base with 2 horses (on 25x50 bases) attached on either side. Clearly, that T-shaped base did not have at all the footprint of normal chariots.
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Post by strutsagget on Sept 18, 2018 15:39:19 GMT
So it gives us wiggle room? Is the 100x100 official size?
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Post by livewaaaaagh on Sept 18, 2018 15:53:19 GMT
The Imperishable doesn't follow rules. He creates them!
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Post by Horace on Sept 18, 2018 16:03:09 GMT
The FAQ is from 2013, and was correct, at least for that time. Originally, Settra was based on a 50x100mm base with 2 horses (on 25x50 bases) attached on either side. Clearly, that T-shaped base did not have at all the footprint of normal chariots. That is a good point, because if he fits into the unit normally in place of 2 chariots, by the rules on page 98 he should not be placed to the side of the unit
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 18, 2018 16:20:52 GMT
I understand that GW at some point afterwards supplied Settra with a 100x100mm base. So, yes, that would be the case.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 18, 2018 16:37:08 GMT
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Sept 18, 2018 17:24:52 GMT
The FAQ is from 2013, and was correct, at least for that time. Originally, Settra was based on a 50x100mm base with 2 horses (on 25x50 bases) attached on either side. Clearly, that T-shaped base did not have at all the footprint of normal chariots. That is a good point, because if he fits into the unit normally in place of 2 chariots, by the rules on page 98 he should not be placed to the side of the unit Officially his base is T-shaped (chariot base flanked by two cavalry bases up front), so he would not properly fit in a unit of chariots. It is a silly ruling that based on the strange base that they supplied him with. Personally I'd have no problem allowing my opponent to place him within a unit of chariots on a double-chariot base. However, if one were to adhere purely to RAW, then the FAQ is crystal clear. Discuss with your opponent!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 18, 2018 17:57:52 GMT
You seem to be missing Horace's and my point. According to the conversion table strutsagget provided in the thread linked above, the official base size for Settra was 100x100mm. KevinC seems to have thought the same. If GW had indeed ever provided Settra with such a base (but apparently they did not), then the FAQ would have been null and void.
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Post by livewaaaaagh on Sept 18, 2018 18:26:02 GMT
I can confirm mine came as 1 chariot base and two cavalry based not put next to it for the additional 2 horses (one on each sized) and thus creating a t-shape.
However, with two additional spare horse bases, one could create the big 100x100 base and even add some fun fill-in scenery to it.
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Post by mottdon on Sept 18, 2018 19:19:21 GMT
This is from the new "Made to Order" releases:
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 18, 2018 19:47:34 GMT
The pictures of the models "made to order" that I have seen were all on oval bases - including Settra. Do the kits contain both round and square bases, or was the model here simply re-based?
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Post by sedge on Sept 18, 2018 19:57:03 GMT
Settra has a Chariot base (100 x 50) and two cavalry ones (50 x 25) in the latest Made to Order (plus an oval one). GW have never made a 100 x 100 base - the nearest are 150 x 100, 100 x 60, and 100 x 50.
That said, I fully support converting him onto a 100 x 100, and then disregarding the FAQs on his placement within a unit.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Sept 18, 2018 21:03:45 GMT
Pah, that faq is clearly misinformation spread by Arkhan the Black or some other agent of the Usurper.
Settra rides however he wants to ride!
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