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Post by knoffles on Aug 1, 2020 20:24:57 GMT
I’ve been playing around with ways of running a lord on hippogryph and trying to see if it can be made a viable option. For this purpose, I’m ignoring the fact that it’s potentially a point sink and not the most optimal choice you could take.
Now it does have the benefit that the mount gets the Ward from the blessing but my question is, is that enough.
To bolster this, there are a couple of options, the ever reliable charmed shield for 5pts but that only protects the lord.
You could instead give the lord the grail vow (at a 28pt cost that doesn’t come from the magic item allowance) and then the 35pt grail shield. This will combine to give the lord a 3+ save and both the lord and the mount a 4++ Ward from the blessing against any attack. It’s expensive but I can’t see a better defence that you can give them (especially vs cannons and the like)?
Does anyone have any other thoughts on this?
What would be people’s thoughts on other magic items? Do you take the ever popular ogre blade and dragonbane gem? Would you even bother taking a virtue?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 2, 2020 11:51:12 GMT
Imperial Griffons are far too squishy for me to take them, but the Hippogryphs have worse stats and are more expensive. I am afraid, the Grail Shield will not help.
Bretonnia Official Update Version 1.6, p.2:
Q: Do the benefits of the Grail Shield, Dragon’s Claw, or Virtue of Purity apply to the character’s mount? (p59, 61, 62)
A: No.
A unit (or two) of Peasant Bowmen with Defensive Stakes in front of your Lord on Hippogryph should at least save them for one round from cannon fire.
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Post by tileag on Aug 2, 2020 16:48:30 GMT
Maybe look at the warhammer armies project 8th bret book for fielding this? Im loving that book
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Post by knoffles on Aug 3, 2020 3:15:57 GMT
Ahhhh I must have been having a brain freeze yesterday with my Bret rules...
Cheers gents. The Hippogryph really does suck then, even by 8th monster standards.
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Post by stallion12 on Jul 26, 2021 5:11:56 GMT
Imperial Griffons are far too squishy for me to take them, but the Hippogryphs have worse stats and are more expensive. I am afraid, the Grail Shield will not help. Bretonnia Official Update Version 1.6, p.2: Q: Do the benefits of the Grail Shield, Dragon’s Claw, or Virtue of Purity apply to the character’s mount? (p59, 61, 62) A: No. A unit (or two) of Peasant Bowmen with Defensive Stakes in front of your Lord on Hippogryph should at least save them for one round from cannon fire. How does that protect from cannon fire? |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 26, 2021 20:53:26 GMT
Bretonnia AB Official Update Version 1.6, p. 2:
Page 54 – Peasant Bowmen, Defensive Stakes.
Replace the last two paragraphs with “Defensive stakes are Obstacles, Fences.”
BRB p. 113: "If the cannonball bounces into an obstacle (see page 122) then that obstacle is destroyed, but the cannonball travels no further."
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Post by KevinC on Aug 15, 2021 3:52:56 GMT
Imperial Griffons are far too squishy for me to take them, but the Hippogryphs have worse stats and are more expensive. I am afraid, the Grail Shield will not help. Bretonnia Official Update Version 1.6, p.2: Q: Do the benefits of the Grail Shield, Dragon’s Claw, or Virtue of Purity apply to the character’s mount? (p59, 61, 62) A: No. A unit (or two) of Peasant Bowmen with Defensive Stakes in front of your Lord on Hippogryph should at least save them for one round from cannon fire. -----------That's a great idea. Never thought about that one... |
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Post by DiscoQing on Aug 17, 2021 1:05:30 GMT
I'd run this:
Bretonnian Lord [422pts]
H. Armour, Hippogryph
Questing Vow
Insignia of the Quest
Morning Star of Fracasse
Enchanted Shield
Virtue of the Ideal (so this guy isn't my general!)
He's still terrible though!
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Post by DemolitionMan on Nov 19, 2021 9:52:58 GMT
He's a point sink, that's for sure, and it's pretty annoying that High Elves can get a sun dragon as a hero choice and we're paying 200 for a big chicken.....BUT, they can be a lot of fun! Just make sure he's not the general.
I equip mine for blending infantry, the thunderstomp helps massively especially on a flank where only 4 enemy models can attack back anyway. Against tougher stuff the beast will get killed too easily so I avoid them unless he's just supporting a second unit. He's quick, scary and if you really want to make a first turn charge it's easy to pull off (10"+swiftstride+d6 from virtue of impetuous if you really want). If the points are high enough I'll have this lad and a paladin on pegasus with the wyrmlance, plus potentially a unit of peg knights try to cause issues for one section of the opponents army whilst the rest concentrates on the other section(s).
As he's a lot smaller than most later monsters you can use terrain a lot more effectively than you might think and your own flanks/rear aren't as exposed as on a 50x100 base, but personally I find sending him down the flank whilst offering other targets in front is the best protection. Horde armies hate the wyrmlance paladin and so he generally catches cannonballs first if they have the option. And if you're planning on praying (and why wouldn't you be planning on praying??) use the archers stakes as previously mentioned.
Just my thoughts/experience on the subject
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Post by DemolitionMan on Jan 17, 2022 16:37:06 GMT
Just thought I'd post an update, after actually using a lord on hippogriff last week for the first time in ages........went 1-vs-1 with a high elf prince on griffon. My Lord trounced his Prince, but then his Griffon killed my hippogriff far too easily (better stats and 50 points cheaper) causing my lord to run away all of 3" and get chased down by the wounded griffon. Call it a draw?
We now have a gentlemens agreement to use the storm of magic sheet for the hippogriff in future games to level the playing field
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Post by DiscoQing on Jan 18, 2022 0:08:50 GMT
My local group have allowed Storm of magic points for certain mounts/units to help balance the load:
Hippogryph = 140pts (60pts goes a long way!)
Ghorgon = 260pts
Cygor = 250pts (I still think these 2 should be lower!)
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Post by DemolitionMan on Jan 18, 2022 13:35:39 GMT
You're preaching to the converted there Disco! How a Hydra is 160 points yet a ghorgon/cygor are still 250/260 in storm of magic I'll never know lol
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