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Post by knoffles on Apr 14, 2023 21:50:07 GMT
The bigger size bases is nothing surprising, we guessed that a while back. I’m excited for the foot knights and wondering about the return to the 5th Ed Lance formation.
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Post by rustynumber on Apr 14, 2023 21:50:36 GMT
As someone who's going to keep basing on the legacy bases, I really hope that either GW starts selling them again (I'm doubtful, although it would be a good way for them to make more money), or that all the folks that will be rebasing flood the second hand market with their old unwanted bases. There's 100 packs of black bases on eBay, identical to GW bases. I've used at least 200! That picture of the adaptor movement tray base puts me at ease, it looks really good!
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Post by mottdon on Apr 15, 2023 3:30:18 GMT
The base size is a non-issue for me. I'll continue to base using 20mm (I have hundreds in storage containers) and IF the need to use the 25mm trays arises, then I'll use some trays. It'd only be a problem if they were going the other way, when 25mm was the standard and moved to 20mm.
Glad to see Brets getting more lovin'. Like the reference to new models, but LOVE that they're making old lines available once again. (At least, until they have a chance to see how it sells, then get around to updating them all to newer releases.). I'm a BIT concerned about the whole lore thing with standardized colors for the Brets. Hopefully, that's not a big issue (I need to read the article more carefully - I've only had a few moments to scan and get the big takeaways) but it has that potential stink of "you could get screwed over by this".
My 2 cents.
Oh - and "Hi" guys. Been a bit!
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Post by Darnok on Apr 15, 2023 8:11:40 GMT
Now that was something quite out of the left field - but most welcome indeed! To me this puts the simmering "will they, won't they" question regarding base size changes at rest, as well as supports the feeling we might see TOW sooner rather than later. And I like both.
I think the change of base sizes is logical from GWs point of view, and it also will make ranking up some older models easier. While I will not rebase any painted models, this already affects how I think about future projects. Take the new Undead, Chaos Warriors or Lizardmen: none of them rank up properly on their "old" bases. With all on bigger bases though? I can see that happen, and I want to give it a shot with some of the recent Undead stuff. I absolutely love the newer visual style for the "undead grunts"... but have given up on ever getting those skeletons to rank properly on 20mm bases. So this latest news gives me confirmation they will move to 25mm, and I love it!
None of this makes any of my older stuff any worse, and I can not possibly comment on the upcoming rules. However: even if TOW is a banger of a game, I will still be able to use my older armies just fine. I do not see me participating in any "official" events any time soon, or ever really.
As for that tidbit regarding more news at Warhammer Fest: I am cautiously optimistic this could mean a TOW release later in 2023. GW rarely previews anything more than six months in advance, and while TOW surely is exceptional in this regard, we had yet to see anything in terms of models specific for it. Until yesterday that is: those Bretonnians might be older sculpts, but they were most definitely painted to showcase TOW. And whatever we get to see at Warhammer Fest, it should be something more. So... yeah, cautious optimism on my end. Just nobody bet any money on this!
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Post by DiscoQing on Apr 15, 2023 9:03:55 GMT
I'm a BIT concerned about the whole lore thing with standardized colors for the Brets. Hopefully, that's not a big issue (I need to read the article more carefully - I've only had a few moments to scan and get the big takeaways) It looks to be just clarifying that the "Crusade look" (a unified colour scheme) is acceptable. I don't think they've ever shown a Bretonnian army in the books/white dwarf with a Crusade paint job (happy to be corrected). Quite famously, the 1 thing putting off people from buying Bretonnians is that they were advertised as being multi-coloured. This was either jarring for those who didn't like the "look" at a glance, or daunting for those thinking of starting to paint an army of individual heroes... They now clarify that the KotR are minor nobles. Of course not being focused on since 2003 may also have something to do with it... Maybe that was the reason there was no effort put in to them... In any case, this article is showing us that the Crusade army is lore.
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Post by tofukyo on Apr 15, 2023 9:33:38 GMT
It looks to be just clarifying that the "Crusade look" (a unified colour scheme) is acceptable. I don't think they've ever shown a Bretonnian army in the books/white dwarf with a Crusade paint job (happy to be corrected). Pretty sure white dwarf 278 “A quest into the unknown” Crusade style Brets vs Khemri Also white dwarf 292 had a rematch of the above game.
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Post by DiscoQing on Apr 15, 2023 9:36:49 GMT
Cheers - the point still stands 👍
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Post by tofukyo on Apr 15, 2023 10:31:05 GMT
Oh yea, for sure! I happily accepted either way of painting. Uniformed or not they always look great!
I’ve recently read one of the reasons someone didn’t pick Brets before was the heraldry aspect of it, but now they will because they can paint them the same… and I feel nothing prevented this before.
Mine were a slight mix. Lord, a block of the peasants and a unit of Errants were in the lords colours the rest individualistic but units carried the lords banners to show they were fighting within that lords army. My thinking was each was still unique but army uniformed by the standards.
I didn’t mean to come across as a “well actually” just pointing out it did happen albeit a very small minority from what I saw.
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Post by DiscoQing on Apr 15, 2023 13:43:04 GMT
No offense taken, all love 💋
Glad to see Brets get the attention they deserve!
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Post by vulcan on Apr 15, 2023 15:45:36 GMT
Just put the appropriate amount of models on a 25mm movement tray. I'm just gonna put my goblins on the trays I used for my Beastmen 🤣 Yeah, I've got a LOT of 20mm infantry. 7,000 pts of skaven, 15,000 or so of DE, 7,000 of Dwarves, over 100 skinks, plus Bretonnia... If the rules are any good I might still play TOW, but probable scale creep on new minis means they won't fit in with my existing collections. Bad move, GW. Of course, if they bring back the old Bret kits, I'll be all over them, which may make up for my lack of interest in any new kits.
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Post by grensche on Apr 15, 2023 21:49:50 GMT
Just put the appropriate amount of models on a 25mm movement tray. I'm just gonna put my goblins on the trays I used for my Beastmen 🤣 Yeah, I've got a LOT of 20mm infantry. 7,000 pts of skaven, 15,000 or so of DE, 7,000 of Dwarves, over 100 skinks, plus Bretonnia... If the rules are any good I might still play TOW, but probable scale creep on new minis means they won't fit in with my existing collections. Bad move, GW. Of course, if they bring back the old Bret kits, I'll be all over them, which may make up for my lack of interest in any new kits. That's typical GW. "Hey! We're bringing back an old game! ..But with a TWIST!" I'm glad that we can still use our old bases. But my concern is that is GW going to slowly force the new base size as the gold standard or are they going to be good on their word and let us use our old bases? Either way, I'm perfectly content with keep playing 8th edition and older editions of Warhammer Fantasy.
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Post by bastardfromhell on Apr 16, 2023 5:10:16 GMT
Some old models are coming back,... that is just great. Not sure if that means we will see some metal / resin kits coming back. I highly doubt that.
The base size increase is annoying but understandble. Most likely they want to release models which are compatible with both systems, AOS and The Old World. The Whight King for Instance does not really fit onto a 25 x 50mm base.
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Post by luke82 on Apr 16, 2023 6:42:44 GMT
GW had a curious habit of making games where base size is fundamental to the mechanics and then saying bases don’t really matter… I remember the last time the ‘use your old bases, it’s fine’ line was trotted out, and that turned out to be flannel as well.
There will be so many rules interactions where bases make a difference where it won’t be long before you’ll just have to rebase to play the game, movement trays with slots will only get you so far.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Apr 16, 2023 11:00:25 GMT
Some old models are coming back,... that is just great. Not sure if that means we will see some metal / resin kits coming back. I highly doubt that. The Bretonnian Trebuchet is clearly visible in some of the army shots on that article, which makes me think it, and other metal and resin models, will be returning until they can make plastic versions.
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Post by thegoat on Apr 16, 2023 11:26:18 GMT
I'm glad that we can still use our old bases. But my concern is that is GW going to slowly force the new base size as the gold standard or are they going to be good on their word and let us use our old bases? I prefer metal models anyway. I already have a ridiculous number of models waiting to be painted. The only way I'll be affected by the new base sizes is if GW releases a new unit that I must have. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
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