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Post by sedge on May 25, 2023 15:54:59 GMT
The announcement doesn't mention Kislev at all so they may very well be included in one of the expansions. However it doesn't look very positive for other 7 factions mentioned. It says that the core 9 factions will be the 'pivotal players in the events covered in narrative expansions and supplements' and it even describes the other 7 factions as 'legacy factions' that you can use 'for old times sake'... It sounds like they're managing expectations.. Looking at the unsupported factions, most are at least fortunate enough that they're fully part of AoS lore and pretty much the same as ever - Skaven, Daemons of Chaos, Lizardmen and Ogre Kingdoms. Ogres are the only one of those factions to barely have had new models (outside of Warhammer Underworlds) but should new models eventually, the way Lizardmen took several years before their imminent new models. So those factions mostly have WFB unit choices covered by currently available models. Vampire Counts have split into some weird strands in AoS, but still have the essentials available, and most of them have been updated - Skeletons, Zombies, Blood Knights, Black Coach, Vampire characters etc. So if you're playing TOW with Vampire Counts and the pdf rules they release at the start, you still have a great choice of viable models even without old kits being re-released. Dark Elves are a problem. They still have most their plastic kits available, but there's no AoS equivalent faction - what we've seen of Morathi's snake/Khaine elves, they're increasingly diverging (into snake form) and the Malekith/Malerion "shadow elves" look pretty crappy and not at all usable for WFB. So the old Druchii kits may disappear as Cities of Sigmar progresses, and the older metal/resin stuff is long gone. Chaos Dwarfs are, of course, utterly screwed since Forge World binned them. |
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Post by Naitsabes on May 25, 2023 17:22:49 GMT
a positive I take from that last announcement is them saying they won't make TOW rules for AoS models. Of course Sigmarines would have been the first order atrocity but I also gladly do without the snake-y Dark Elves, shark-riding High Elves and half-elf-half-tree-half-spirit Wood Elves. And don't get me started on lead balloon dwarfs.
so, now TOW model releases could actually be sweet (unless humans all are 7-8ft tall like the witch hunter and sigmar priest to keep with the theme of not fitting on their larger bases).
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Post by beastyboy on May 25, 2023 18:23:30 GMT
Well the bret archers on new bases seamed to be In scale and if there re releasing older sculpts hopefully they will keep to it , fingers crossed .
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Post by thegoat on May 25, 2023 21:02:21 GMT
I see a lot of people (on youtube & blogs, etc.) getting upset about GW limiting the core factions to nine races. There really is no reason to be concerned at all. If GW releases three or four army books (and the associated new models) per year, then it will take them two to three years to work through the nine core factions.
Even if they could do it logistically, GW wouldn't launch army books and new model ranges for every faction at the same time. They spread them out to maximize profit. If the game is popular GW will eventually get to all the factions. Factions not listed in the core group just means you will have to wait a couple years.
I've played this game since fourth edition. Waiting years for your faction's army book and model revamp is par for the course. I wish people would stop being so negative.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 26, 2023 7:55:49 GMT
Something's rotten in that state - not Kislev but rather the United Kingdom whose relationship with a Kislev-like country has cooled to the point of seeing said country's television commentators showing animated videos where the UK is flooded by an underwater nuclear blast - lol! Doesn't anybody else think that it is this backdrop before which GW wanted to refrain from releasing a new game with banners and posters and videos displaying vodka-jugging, bear-riding, felt-hat-wearing men whose most common names are Boris and Vladimir? Only because said Kislev-like country is under the control of a neo-Nazi monster and pawn of Communist China, who is overseeing ethnic genocide against another Kislev-like country that has done nothing to deserve such cruelty. Anyone who thinks Russia is in the right in any way is deluded to the point of insanity. Companies are so sensitive to the political climate nowadays and they will do absolutely anything to avoid being shitstormed. I am almost certain that we won't see any Kislevites for a very long time - happy to be proven wrong though. If this were fully the case, then the Creative Assembly, another British company, would have pulled the Kislevites out of Warhammer III Total War. Instead they took centre stage to the joy of its fans. This is not the place to be bringing real-world affairs into discussion, there are plenty of places for that. I severely doubt GW have pulled Kislev out of the game completely, and it's likely that they'll appear later, for the same reasons they didn't appear at the forefront of Warhammer 1: Total War - that they're a niche faction with a small fanbase that very often plays second-fiddle to the Empire and has had very little past miniature coverage. |
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Post by thielemann on May 26, 2023 9:31:48 GMT
Something's rotten in that state - not Kislev but rather the United Kingdom whose relationship with a Kislev-like country has cooled to the point of seeing said country's television commentators showing animated videos where the UK is flooded by an underwater nuclear blast - lol! Doesn't anybody else think that it is this backdrop before which GW wanted to refrain from releasing a new game with banners and posters and videos displaying vodka-jugging, bear-riding, felt-hat-wearing men whose most common names are Boris and Vladimir? Only because said Kislev-like country is under the control of a neo-Nazi monster and pawn of Communist China, who is overseeing ethnic genocide against another Kislev-like country that has done nothing to deserve such cruelty. Anyone who thinks Russia is in the right in any way is deluded to the point of insanity. Companies are so sensitive to the political climate nowadays and they will do absolutely anything to avoid being shitstormed. I am almost certain that we won't see any Kislevites for a very long time - happy to be proven wrong though. If this were fully the case, then the Creative Assembly, another British company, would have pulled the Kislevites out of Warhammer III Total War. Instead they took centre stage to the joy of its fans. This is not the place to be bringing real-world affairs into discussion, there are plenty of places for that. I severely doubt GW have pulled Kislev out of the game completely, and it's likely that they'll appear later, for the same reasons they didn't appear at the forefront of Warhammer 1: Total War - that they're a niche faction with a small fanbase that very often plays second-fiddle to the Empire and has had very little past miniature coverage. Games Workshop is a real-world company and this is a thread about said company's plans for their miniatures game. They will base many of their decisions on real-world developments rather than just the lore and background of their fantasy universe. The best example is the End Times which probably nobody at GW seriously believed was a good addition to the lore. But real-world events (most likely decreasing revenue) made it so that they thought they needed to get rid of this game and that seemed to be a working way to do it. All I did was provide a reasonable explanation for why GW apparently changed their plans so radically over the past two years. You are free to disagree and prefer an alternative explanation though. I'd be happy to see Kislev appear at some point myself, even though I did not really like the models they presented. CA had already introduced Kislev to their game before the relations with Russia deteriorated and it would have been more awkward to remove them than to leave them in the game. Again, if this is all wrong and they suddenly come around the corner with Kislev again, I'll be the fool. It just doesn't seem likely to me at this point. |
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Post by bastardfromhell on May 27, 2023 5:42:20 GMT
A good video on the starter box topic: youtu.be/vXfYHJweaE8Regarding Kislev (and others), I would expect GW to have a release plan if the game suceeds. So having boxes planed for each stage which contain models for two armies, campaign books, and so on. What would be more fitting than a release around the siege of Prag containing Kislev and Chaos models (and hopefully some terrain)? Maybe WOC or even Daemons of Chaos. Cathay could come with some Ogre units and books. Lizardmen with Dark Elves or Skaven... The possibilities are there and GW would miss a lot if they would release everything at once. I'm still quite positive about it. Best case, we get WFB 9ed, worst case we get a re-release of our favorite models (just with a weird base size). |
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Post by ryryak2 on May 31, 2023 15:35:06 GMT
I see a lot of people (on youtube & blogs, etc.) getting upset about GW limiting the core factions to nine races. There really is no reason to be concerned at all. If GW releases three or four army books (and the associated new models) per year, then it will take them two to three years to work through the nine core factions. Even if they could do it logistically, GW wouldn't launch army books and new model ranges for every faction at the same time. They spread them out to maximize profit. If the game is popular GW will eventually get to all the factions. Factions not listed in the core group just means you will have to wait a couple years. I've played this game since fourth edition. Waiting years for your faction's army book and model revamp is par for the course. I wish people would stop being so negative. While I'm all for an update to Warhammer, this approach to the release schedule (it's totally realistic and I agree with you 100%) may force some people to buy into armies they have no interest in, just to show GW that they want the system to be supported. If you're not-at-all-interested in any of these initial release armies, then you either have to hope that enough other people are, or buy into something you necessarily don't want to just to try and make sure they eventually get around to releasing more support for the army you do want. But it's one of those things where GW probably just can't win for those individuals. Personally I'm excited to be able to round out the elf collection, and I may even branch out into something new, who knows? |
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Post by thegoat on May 31, 2023 23:18:05 GMT
While I'm all for an update to Warhammer, this approach to the release schedule (it's totally realistic and I agree with you 100%) may force some people to buy into armies they have no interest in, just to show GW that they want the system to be supported. If you're not-at-all-interested in any of these initial release armies, then you either have to hope that enough other people are, or buy into something you necessarily don't want to just to try and make sure they eventually get around to releasing more support for the army you do want. But it's one of those things where GW probably just can't win for those individuals. Personally I'm excited to be able to round out the elf collection, and I may even branch out into something new, who knows? You are not wrong. Some people will end up starting armies for one of the core factions when they would prefer to play one of the second tier factions. End of the day I'm not too concerned about that. The truth is a second tier faction player can show their support for the game by playing their existing army with the free .pdf army list. Just having a good opponent in the local area will encourage more players to start armies and generate more sales. A broad player base is the best way to ensure the game sticks around long enough for GW to bring the second tier factions into the fold. |
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Post by hivefleetmanticore on Jun 1, 2023 2:45:50 GMT
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Post by thegoat on Jun 1, 2023 13:22:19 GMT
There is a stamp for "Warhammer The Old World Battle For Skull Pass". Maybe that implies the battle for skull pass box will be reissued? Or maybe it is just showing off the artwork? There is also a stamp for "Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader" and I don't think they are going to reissue that. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Jun 1, 2023 14:13:58 GMT
There is a stamp for "Warhammer The Old World Battle For Skull Pass". Maybe that implies the battle for skull pass box will be reissued? Or maybe it is just showing off the artwork? There is also a stamp for "Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader" and I don't think they are going to reissue that. Probably just showing off the artwork... but it's glorious to see it being adopted by TOW as one of its legacy art pieces. The collector's sheet also has labels with other artworks on, including 8th Edition army book images of Eltharion and Thorgrim:  Also note the watermarks of Thorek and the Slaaneshi Daemon fighting a High Elf (obscured by the stamps in this one but visible on others). |
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Post by hivefleetmanticore on Jun 1, 2023 17:11:50 GMT
I also thought that this one was interesting...   |
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Post by ryryak2 on Jun 1, 2023 17:31:32 GMT
it warms my heart to see plastic white lions back
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Post by Mallo on Jun 3, 2023 10:41:09 GMT
I suspect that battle for skull pass is just being used for the artwork, but I would love it if they brought it back even as a temporary made to order set of minis only. The dwarves are ok, but I've love more of those night goblins and terrain bits. The prices have been rising on 2nd hand places for ages now, and as the set of night goblins is still available, its not worth spending extra. But the Battle for Skull pass ones are just very slightly better!
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