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Post by thegoat on Sept 19, 2023 15:09:30 GMT
I assume at launch the (physical) rules, templates, etc. will only be available in some sort of a box set along with models you may or may not want. Who knows how long that restriction will last. One month? Three months? I’ve got nearly every compatible 8th edition book for WFB (some elude me), I like having physical books and cards. Things you can actually touch and flick through. If I like TOW I want to be able to buy the rulebook and put it on my bookshelf. I don’t really want to have to spend money on a box set that I may or may not be interested in, less so if that book is going to follow in the tradition of 40k and become obsolete in mere months. I remain excited still, I feel like we are months rather than years away from a release so we will see. Yes. I prefer the classic metal models. I rarely want the plastic models included with these box sets. But it is what it is.
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Post by Mallo on Sept 19, 2023 17:15:46 GMT
Evetything would be welcomed for me,except the Liche on dragon. A construct monster fine its lore friendly. A dragon not so much. I assume it would be a zombie dragon. Its going to be a pyramid dragon. ![](https://dragonmania.net/assets/images/dragons/adult/Pyramid_Dragon.png) Jokes aside I will laugh when we get the 'Greater Pyramis Draconis" and they start giving new minis © safe names ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png)
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Post by Darnok on Sept 19, 2023 18:21:56 GMT
Jokes aside I will laugh when we get the 'Greater Pyramis Draconis" and they start giving new minis © safe names ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) They made a statement along the lines of "it will be Orcs, not Orcs", so I guess we will have a lot less of that silliness in TOW. Or so I hope.
In regards to Tomb Kings and dragons: they had a model in Warmaster, so doing one in TOW would not be revolutionary. If Forgeworld wanted to do some TK centrepiece model for an impressive character mount, I woudl consider this the natural choice.
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Post by thegoat on Sept 19, 2023 18:39:12 GMT
They made a statement along the lines of "it will be Orcs, not Orcs", so I guess we will have a lot less of that silliness in TOW. Or so I hope. FYI, the forum auto corrects dumb AOS names.
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Post by Darnok on Sept 19, 2023 18:42:24 GMT
They made a statement along the lines of "it will be Orcs, not Orcs", so I guess we will have a lot less of that silliness in TOW. Or so I hope. FYI, the forum auto corrects dumb AOS names. That's hilarious, well done!
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Post by Luigino on Sept 19, 2023 19:40:13 GMT
They made a statement along the lines of "it will be Orcs, not Orrucks", so I guess we will have a lot less of that silliness in TOW. Or so I hope.
They said a lot of things. they said Kislev and Cathai models were being developed long CA to better reflect units both on the tabletop and in the videogame. We now know that neither Cathai nor Kislev made the final cut to the initial launch. They said I could use all your previous models. Now you can but you should probably rebase them. They said you could use all of your models in AOS once that was launched. Many of my models have no rules in AOS. What they say, what they think, and what they do are different things. So I absolutely believe we will be seeing more and more peculiar choices
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Post by Darnok on Sept 19, 2023 20:42:27 GMT
They made a statement along the lines of "it will be Orcs, not Orrucks", so I guess we will have a lot less of that silliness in TOW. Or so I hope.
They said a lot of things. they said Kislev and Cathai models were being developed long CA to better reflect units both on the tabletop and in the videogame. No they did not.We now know that neither Cathai nor Kislev made the final cut to the initial launch. There never was the suggestion they would be.They said I could use all your previous models. Now you can but you should probably rebase them. The choice to rebase is yours, and rebasing a model still allows you to use it.They said you could use all of your models in AOS once that was launched. At launch you could. Many of my models have no rules in AOS. We are three editions and over eight years into the game. Pretty sure there never was any claim you could use WHF models in AoS for all future editions of the game.Comments in the quote in red, because this forums quote system is a mess.
Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but in my opinion you take a lot of things out of context to spin them into a narrative that was not provided.
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Post by Luigino on Sept 20, 2023 2:38:53 GMT
[Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but in my opinion you take a lot of things out of context to spin them into a narrative that was not provided. [/div][/quote] That's a very good point so I'll update what I said earlier with this: What they say, what they think,what they do and what people percieve are different things.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Sept 21, 2023 7:42:53 GMT
Evetything would be welcomed for me,except the Liche on dragon. A construct monster fine its lore friendly. A dragon not so much. I assume it would be a zombie dragon. Certainly not, a plastic Zombie Dragon was already given to Vampires, and to be honest I like it that way - Tomb Kings would not use foul, rotting corpses as mounts when they can use clean, regal animated statues. Not to mention dragons wouldn't fit with the Egyptian aesthetic at all. I personally really dislike the inclusion of the Zombie Dragon in the Warmaster Tomb King army for these reasons, but then that was when GW had only just given the army any thought as a separate faction from Vampire Counts, and long before they had the stroke of genius to fill the army out with animated statues, starting with the Ushabti in 6th and then the other units in 8th. I also dislike the original 6th Edition Bone Giant in the same way, and preferred that they retconned it to be just a proxy for the Necrolith Colossus, which was meant to be a statue. To make such a lore-inconsistent move now, however, and degenerate the army back toward being more similar to Vampires, would not benefit from the Warmaster excuse in the least.
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Post by bastardfromhell on Sept 21, 2023 13:29:17 GMT
Somebody in a different message board pointed out that characters we see in the Old World pictures are not standing within the units. Even the one which shows an Orcs and Goblins vs Empire game has the Empire general standing beside the unit. This could be due to asthetic reasons or maybe a hint that characters can no longer join units. ![](https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/AtmAJrqv2zD9S1ja.jpg) Is there an Ork character hidden in the Boar Boyz unit, or is that the champion?
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Post by karnus on Sept 21, 2023 13:31:37 GMT
Somebody in a different message board pointed out that characters we see in the Old World pictures are not standing within the units. Even the one which shows an Orcs and Goblins vs Empire game has the Empire general standing beside the unit. This could be due to asthetic reasons or maybe a hint that characters can no longer join units. ![](https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/AtmAJrqv2zD9S1ja.jpg) Is there an Ork character hidden in the Boar Boyz unit, or is that the champion? Almost certainly for aesthetic reasons in the case of that image
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Post by sedge on Sept 21, 2023 15:07:52 GMT
It was the norm for GW photos of WFB staged battles (not actual battle reports) to have characters stand outside the units. They do look a lot better that way.
Regarding the dubious rumour on the two army box contents, I'm very skeptical. I'm surprised at the number of old (and in my view not very good) kits they've pictured already as returning, but I struggle to believe they'd relaunch a significant game with a box containing the prehistoric skeleton horses, and just a single new model.
The 6th edititon Bret models - undoubtedly good - have had their reputation boosted through nostalgia since the army got Squatted (during 8th, there was clamour for their replacement), so the Bret box on its own I could just about believe. But a Tomb King box stuffed full of the bad, old models that put many people off collecting that army over a decade ago - the Skeletons, Archers, and the horses - isn't plausible to me.
GW do release boxes with just a single new character model in (or for dual-army boxes, a character per side) but not for the release of a new game.
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Post by Luigino on Sept 21, 2023 16:14:01 GMT
What if the launch is an actual launch?
Like they get boxes and the just start tossing them at people in a crowd? Ideally from a rooftop?
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Post by thegoat on Sept 21, 2023 22:41:54 GMT
Regarding the dubious rumour on the two army box contents, I'm very skeptical. . . Agree 100%. I fully expect the majority of the models for the game to be what was available in 8th edition. But the game needs an actual hyped launch. Re-releasing old models, even ones that were squatted by AoS, won't be enough not enough. If that is actually what GW give us, I think WH:TOW will quickly fizzle out.
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Post by karnus on Sept 22, 2023 6:14:09 GMT
Regarding the dubious rumour on the two army box contents, I'm very skeptical. . . Agree 100%. I fully expect the majority of the models for the game to be what was available in 8th edition. But the game needs an actual hyped launch. Re-releasing old models, even ones that were squatted by AoS, won't be enough not enough. If that is actually what GW give us, I think WH:TOW will quickly fizzle out. I am hoping that most models will be what was available in 8th edition. I don’t see the problem here? The models rank up (some better than others but they do it), there’s no need to have rank and file with super dynamic poses. There is very little incentive to re-invent the wheel here, at least not immediately. AOS released in 2015 with two new factions worth of models? And they’ve slowly added to what’s on offer over the years. I suspect TOW to be the same, there’s nothing to be disappointed about here.
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