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Post by Luigino on Dec 21, 2023 14:18:23 GMT
Luigino - what else was said in that podcast anything about army lists? special characters? mercenaries? allied contingents? I wasn't paying too much attention, but I remember that he specified that 50% character is for ALL armies. And that for allies specifically you can't just take a special or rare unit only but you'd have to take a them with the same limitation as the main army. Meaning you can't just get 1 cannon from a different army and call it a day
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Post by Luigino on Dec 21, 2023 15:26:40 GMT
Uh, forgot to add.
He also mentioned that "horde" as a rule is gone. What has appeared as a USR of the same name is something completely different. He also implied that charges give an extremely substantial bonus to initiative. I think he said that the mount's armour stacks with the rider's.
Again it was very unclear and most of it was speculation as he kept repeating "I'm not allowed to tell you"; "I'm not allowed to show you" "I'll get in trouble for sharing this" etc etc (which to me defeats the purpose of even showing the physical book, but what do I know about youtube views and live interactions).
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Post by DiscoQing on Dec 21, 2023 16:40:38 GMT
Well, from all the playtesters I know, Prepare for msu Wood elves with circa 100 shots, double fleeing and still being able to shoot upon rallying...
Fun!
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Post by takyz on Dec 21, 2023 18:21:03 GMT
So it seems that step up is, to my great disappointment, no longer a feature in combat. while I was painting today I was listening to a live discussion on the squarehammer channel where one of the speakers actually had a physical copy of the new rulebook and he confirmed that step up is no longer a thing. The link to the video has now gone private but seeing how I believe the members are active on this forum they can corroborate what I heard them say. That's weird, the GW combat phase article explicitly mentions step up still being there : "Casualties are removed from the back ranks, representing the rear ranks stepping forward as their comrades bite the dirt. Set every death in each unit aside – you’ll need to tot them up for the next step…"
Maybe some conditions might prevent step up?
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Post by vulcan on Dec 21, 2023 18:41:05 GMT
Or maybe 'you need to tot them up for the next step' involves tracking lost attacks.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 21, 2023 19:16:28 GMT
So it seems that step up is, to my great disappointment, no longer a feature in combat. while I was painting today I was listening to a live discussion on the squarehammer channel where one of the speakers actually had a physical copy of the new rulebook and he confirmed that step up is no longer a thing. The link to the video has now gone private but seeing how I believe the members are active on this forum they can corroborate what I heard them say. That's weird, the GW combat phase article explicitly mentions step up still being there : "Casualties are removed from the back ranks, representing the rear ranks stepping forward as their comrades bite the dirt. Set every death in each unit aside – you’ll need to tot them up for the next step…"
Maybe some conditions might prevent step up?
That wording is very similar to how removing casualties was written in older editions, when the guys stepping up didn't get to attack.
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Post by DiscoQing on Dec 21, 2023 22:26:33 GMT
Yeah, that's just describing why you don't remove from the front.
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Post by kurganironbeard on Dec 22, 2023 0:38:25 GMT
That's weird, the GW combat phase article explicitly mentions step up still being there : "Casualties are removed from the back ranks, representing the rear ranks stepping forward as their comrades bite the dirt. Set every death in each unit aside – you’ll need to tot them up for the next step…"
Maybe some conditions might prevent step up?
That wording is very similar to how removing casualties was written in older editions, when the guys stepping up didn't get to attack. Quoting directly from the 6th edition book: "Although casualties fall amongst the rank that is fighting, it is more convenient to assume that models in the rear ranks will step forward to fill any gaps that appear. It is therefore more practical to remove casualties straight from a unit's rear ranks." So, yeah it is a very conversational style of describing the casualty removal where there was no step up rule. Personally, not too fussed if dead model's don't get to fight if there is a general decrease in lethality so you are a bit less likely to be reduced to standing there and watching as your unit gets hammered.
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Post by Naitsabes on Dec 22, 2023 6:10:27 GMT
oh boy. no step up, charger almost always strikes first and more badass characters would add up to something less than thrilling for me. Hope something got lost in translation somewhere.
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Dec 22, 2023 8:38:12 GMT
Yeah, was really worried about no Step Up, but I'm going to play the game and see how it actually plays. Lots of speculation being made without the full picture, and there's really no telling how it all works until we're not thinking of certain rules in a vacuum and actually see it all come together.
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Post by lost on Dec 22, 2023 9:37:49 GMT
I was getting (guardedly) excited for TOW but after the last few articles my enthusiasm has been dampened. I’ll reserve final judgement until after the full rules drop but it’s not looking good. If there is no step up, and with characters getting an increase in relative strength, I doubt I’ll be touching TOW. It looks like if I did I’d just max out character points and in a giant lord and a few wizards and let my lord and magic run the game while I fled with my other units. If there’s not some balance in the full set of rules I think this game’s going to be terribly lopsided.
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Post by bastardfromhell on Dec 22, 2023 15:14:00 GMT
This part of the interview with Mr. McNeill peaked my interesst in his new story:
"Is the ‘character’ of Bretonnia different, a few hundred years in the past?"
"...there are a number of differences the readers will spot very early on in terms of who can be a knight..."
I would hope they change the lore back in a way that a brave peasant can become a knight.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 22, 2023 15:58:32 GMT
This part of the interview with Mr. McNeill peaked my interesst in his new story: "Is the ‘character’ of Bretonnia different, a few hundred years in the past?" "...there are a number of differences the readers will spot very early on in terms of who can be a knight..." I would hope they change the lore back in a way that a brave peasant can become a knight. Women can't be Space Marines Bretonnian knights!
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Post by herjan1987 on Dec 22, 2023 19:36:36 GMT
This part of the interview with Mr. McNeill peaked my interesst in his new story: "Is the ‘character’ of Bretonnia different, a few hundred years in the past?" "...there are a number of differences the readers will spot very early on in terms of who can be a knight..." I would hope they change the lore back in a way that a brave peasant can become a knight. Women can't be Space Marines Bretonnian knights! Exept Repanse!
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Post by mottdon on Dec 23, 2023 13:06:52 GMT
Women can't be Space Marines Bretonnian knights! Exept Repanse! That's why she's a "Special" character!
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