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Post by Mallo on May 8, 2023 13:07:38 GMT
Their stance on Lizardmen according to the Q&A makes no sense - they're not going to re-release the old models for TOW, but they're expecting Lizardmen to be fully playable when the game drops? How the hell will Saurus Cavalry be represented? Because those boring new macro-velociraptors that replaced them do not look like a suitable proxy. Yeah this confused the hell out of me. The chaps doing the preview had very little enthusiasm for any of the games I watched, and had next to no knowledge on what was actually happening with these releases. Our favourite exchange from them was during warcry which was something like: Chap1: 'So new warcry models coming up is exciting. Have you been working on anything for warcry recently' Chap 2: 'No'.
Excellent excitement level there!  But their comments on things like lizardmen, old kits won't be re-released and AoS isn't being back ported to the old world. But lizardmen being part of 8th were implied as being supported. ?!? Very little of the announcement made sense. If they didn't know anything they should have kept quiet or had a more appropriate answer ready, if they are not allowed to say anything then why have a preview q&a session where its going to be obvious what sort of questions are going to get asked. Its clear that they were there to show off the two new resin models only. |
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Post by sedge on May 8, 2023 18:28:40 GMT
I was not impressed by the Tomb King and Bretonnian Paladin being in awful Forge World Resin. I was really hoping that it would just be named characters and particularly massive units getting that treatment and that generic characters would be in plastic. I'm worried now about how much new plastic they're actually going to release for this. I am certainly looking forward to seeing the return of the Fantasy plastics that were ditched, at least. When you say "awful Forge World Resin" do you mean you hate resin as a whole, or you think FW resin is particularly bad? Because my experience with FW's resin casting is the opposite, and it's got even better over the last 10 years. The Blood Bowl and LoTR models I've got from FW in the last few years have been excellently cast. There's lots of bad or mediocre resin casters out there, but FW and Mierce have generally been the gold standard. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 9, 2023 7:56:48 GMT
I was not impressed by the Tomb King and Bretonnian Paladin being in awful Forge World Resin. I was really hoping that it would just be named characters and particularly massive units getting that treatment and that generic characters would be in plastic. I'm worried now about how much new plastic they're actually going to release for this. I am certainly looking forward to seeing the return of the Fantasy plastics that were ditched, at least. When you say "awful Forge World Resin" do you mean you hate resin as a whole, or you think FW resin is particularly bad? Because my experience with FW's resin casting is the opposite, and it's got even better over the last 10 years. The Blood Bowl and LoTR models I've got from FW in the last few years have been excellently cast. There's lots of bad or mediocre resin casters out there, but FW and Mierce have generally been the gold standard. You surprise me, I've heard a lot about how people have struggled with FW resin in the past (though not as much as Finecast of course). That plus the too-high prices of Forge World products have brewed within me a general dislike for it, though of course with GW needlessly increasing the price of plastic products to match FW stuff, that dislike has lessened in recent times. |
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Post by beastyboy on May 20, 2023 13:53:07 GMT
So brets and tombkings will get new rules but there's another army that didn't get an 8th eddition army book ... so will beastmen be playable ?
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Post by KevinC on May 20, 2023 17:12:57 GMT
So brets and tombkings will get new rules but there's another army that didn't get an 8th eddition army book ... so will beastmen be playable ? --------Yes, the Beastmen book was the last army book for 7th edition, which was fully compatible with 8th edition. |
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Post by beastyboy on May 20, 2023 18:21:29 GMT
So brets and tombkings will get new rules but there's another army that didn't get an 8th eddition army book ... so will beastmen be playable ? --------Yes, the Beastmen book was the last army book for 7th edition, which was fully compatible with 8th edition. It might be me just reading into it, but it dose say every 8th eddition army , fingers crossed I'm just being a nervous nelly. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 21, 2023 13:33:07 GMT
So brets and tombkings will get new rules but there's another army that didn't get an 8th eddition army book ... so will beastmen be playable ? I'd be very surprised and annoyed if they weren't, as they are found across the Old World, as well as elsewhere if you consider the 6th Edition map canon as I do. Not to mention I'm sure I've seen Beastman symbols on some of those maps they've made in the Warhammer Community previews. I don't think we have much to worry about there. Also, as they've shown they're willing to bring back army mechanics from old books not used in 8th in the form of bringing back the wedge-lance for Bretonnians, I'm fully hoping they'll bring mixed Beast Herds back as I have done in my book, as that was something that was really unique to the army. I mean they've brought back such mechanics for Black Templar Initiates and Neophytes in 40K, so why not for us too? |
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Post by KevinC on May 21, 2023 14:28:12 GMT
They said every 8th ed army is playable. That is every WFB army that has ever had an army book except Dogs of War.
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Post by itsonlyme on May 21, 2023 15:06:54 GMT
My take is, they will probably make stuff that can be used in AoS as well, do some free rules and forget about it. It can’t ever be a massive success, that would be admitting nuking it was a mistake. I’m only after the rules anyway.
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Post by tileag on May 21, 2023 16:47:24 GMT
They said every 8th ed army is playable. That is every WFB army that has ever had an army book except Dogs of War. Why are they so against dogs of war? Seems like a great army to market basically all their kits to |
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Post by beastyboy on May 21, 2023 17:43:02 GMT
So brets and tombkings will get new rules but there's another army that didn't get an 8th eddition army book ... so will beastmen be playable ? I'd be very surprised and annoyed if they weren't, as they are found across the Old World, as well as elsewhere if you consider the 6th Edition map canon as I do. Not to mention I'm sure I've seen Beastman symbols on some of those maps they've made in the Warhammer Community previews. I don't think we have much to worry about there. Also, as they've shown they're willing to bring back army mechanics from old books not used in 8th in the form of bringing back the wedge-lance for Bretonnians, I'm fully hoping they'll bring mixed Beast Herds back as I have done in my book, as that was something that was really unique to the army. I mean they've brought back such mechanics for Black Templar Initiates and Neophytes in 40K, so why not for us too? It'll be interesting if the ungors and gors can rank up with the new base sizes . |
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 22, 2023 7:57:55 GMT
They said every 8th ed army is playable. That is every WFB army that has ever had an army book except Dogs of War. Why are they so against dogs of war? Seems like a great army to market basically all their kits to To be honest I personally can see why there's no interest in Dogs of War on GW's side: - The whole concept of a mercenary army cobbled together out of all different races is pretty niche, as players generally like to play a race that is either a definite 'good guy' or 'bad guy', with a motive beyond common greed
- For those who do like the idea of a mercenary army, one could argue Ogre Kingdoms already fills this niche, and has a much more coherent aesthetic, more unique units and more likeable characters to boot (it's a funny thing how Dogs of War disappeared in the Edition that Ogre Kingdoms first arrived as a playable race)
- Only being able to field a maximum of one of each Regiment of Renown was pretty limiting on army size and playability
- Their attempt to recreate Renaissance Italy as Tilea was incredibly boring, just a weaker version of the Empire with more infighting, no really likeable named characters with a grand agenda to defend/despoil the world, and nothing in the way of fun unique units (as all their units of note were pinched from other army books)
- The mechanic for mercenaries of non-Ogre origin was better served by Triumph and Treachery, as you were no longer tied down to fielding specific individual Regiments of Renown but could take mercenary units of any type from any one army book
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Post by hivefleetmanticore on May 22, 2023 23:01:44 GMT
My take is, they will probably make stuff that can be used in AoS as well, do some free rules and forget about it. It can’t ever be a massive success, that would be admitting nuking it was a mistake. I’m only after the rules anyway. It depends on whether or not they see this as the Horus Heresy of fantasy. HH has proven to be a great success, as far as I can tell, especially with the older players, so they may be hoping to pull off the same trick with TOW. The memory of gamers can be short, and if the new rules set is great, there may also be many who are willing to forgive and get their square-based armies back on the table. In that case, the main people I will feel sorry for are the ones who re-based their entire armies on round bases...  |
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Post by itsonlyme on May 23, 2023 11:36:10 GMT
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Post by beastyboy on May 23, 2023 12:40:29 GMT
Ouch well I imagine the free pdf will cover until they get the 2nd phase out.
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