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Post by knoffles on Jul 5, 2024 7:48:02 GMT
A rules query was asked in our local warhammer group which basically came down to can you railroad anymore?
My answer was no but I thought I’d run the reasoning past you and why someone had argued against the group member that you still can.
The 1.1 FAQ states:
When a unit wheels, is it acceptable for a rear corner to pass through another unit? Yes, provided the unit does not end its movement 'on top' of another unit or within 1" of an enemy unit. When a unit wheels, those at its rear do not really follow a long, curving path, as it might appear when moving a large block of models on the table. In reality, they would take a more direct route, following the path of the front rank and resuming their formation behind it.
I first looked at what constitutes a ‘unit’. As per pg 100 BBB, a single model does count as a unit.)
For me this made it clear that the unit could pivot through a unit and then move, as long the unit did not finish its move within 1” of another unit (pg 118 BBB).
The person countered saying that on the FAQ itself, the wording in contention is what's defined as "ending it's movement". Is it the wheel part of the movement, or the other parts of the move, like the straight move forwards after a wheel as part of a charge?
I believe this is covered under pg 124 BBB, as it says that a unit can perform one manoeuvre (wheel/turn etc) as part of its movement.
By this reasoning I believe railroading is no longer a thing? Have I missed anything?
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Post by thegoat on Jul 5, 2024 13:45:30 GMT
I'll just say, I would never play with that opponent. Regardless of their rules lawyering skills at finding technicalities in the rulebook, railroading is beyond dispute against the spirit of the game.
Good luck.
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Post by Naitsabes on Jul 5, 2024 21:31:10 GMT
I think you are right knoffles. And for somebody arguing that 'ending its movement' means anything but where the unit ends after the movement phase would require some pretty strong evidence (or failing that careful parsing of comma vs semicolon and weird equations of the type A means B so A+C cannot mean D until the reasonable people give up).
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Post by knoffles on Jul 6, 2024 6:53:04 GMT
I will say it came up for a member of the group and he wasn’t playing another member of the group (I’m assuming it was either a pick up or tourney game). I also appreciate that you could still potentially railroad due to impassable terrain or having a unit either side (though the first situation is more that you’ve blundered than anything an opponent does and the second would likely come down to the 1” rule more than anything and could impact any unit if it didn’t have the movement to clear the other units - you could potentially railroad yourself 😂).
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Post by Naitsabes on Jul 7, 2024 0:11:38 GMT
so, tangentially related: the 1" rule only applies to units in ToW, not terrain? at least that's how I read it but the book is so disorganized it's hard to be sure. Certainly the 'Ends of the World' rule on page 125 means you can pivot over the table edge.
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Post by DiscoQing on Aug 2, 2024 0:42:30 GMT
You may not be traditionally railroaded... But it can still slow you down/cost you more movement.
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Post by KevinC on Aug 2, 2024 14:40:19 GMT
Knoffles, you are correct. But I must admit, I have no idea what the other person is trying to say.
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