Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 15, 2017 10:22:30 GMT
As it says on p. 69: "Enemies with Flaming Attacks cause Fear in war beasts, cavalry and chariots." It does not limit this to Flaming Attacks in CC. Do the Peasant Bowmen have Flaming Attacks, if equipped with a braziers? Yes. Ergo, they cause Fear in war beasts etc. The same applies to e.g. spells of the Lore of Fire, whether they can be used in CC or not, because the Lore attribute specifies that "All of the spells in the Lore of Fire are Flaming Attacks." So, a Fire Wizard will ipso facto always cause Fear in war beasts etc. as long as he knows a single spell. I am all for verisimilitude (to the point I don't shoot gunpowder weapons through my units), but ultimately, game rules cannot, don't, and don't have to be an accurate reflection of reality.
Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 15, 2017 15:16:32 GMT
The Banner of Eternal Flame is actually one of the few magic standards I (as an Empire player) find worthwhile taking against most enemies. There is not much point in taking it e.g. against Dwarfs, of course.
Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 15, 2017 16:48:45 GMT
While it is true that Fear and Terror are not what they used to be, the banner causes Fear in war beasts etc., or it will neutralise/mitigate Fear/Terror that those units themselves may cause. That is well worth 10 points.
Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 16, 2017 8:05:38 GMT
Some additional comments:
- There is actually an FAQ on the matter.
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.9:
Q: Do all forms of Flaming Attacks cause Fear in war beasts, cavalry and chariots? (p69) A: Yes, any model that has a Flaming Attack will cause Fear. This includes unit upgrades, models that only have ranged flaming attacks and even Wizards with spells that cause Flaming Attacks.
- The only Lore where all the spells are ipso facto Flaming Attacks is the Lore of Fire. The Lore of Metal says in its Lore Attribute (BRB p. 494): "No armour saves are permitted against wounds caused by spells from the Lore of Metal, which also always count as Flaming Attacks." This could be read that all spells of the Lore of Metal are Flaming Attacks. However, in an past discussion elsewhere, it turned out that the Magic Cards specify for 4 of the 6 spells that the "Lore attribute does not apply to this spell." In other Lores, there are specific spells that are identified as FA (like Shem's Burning Gaze of the Lore of Light), and any Wizard with such a spell will cause Fear.
- For Empire Players: Soulfire itself is not a Flaming Attack - therefore a WP does not cause Fear, until after Soulfire has been successfully cast.