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Post by strutsagget on Aug 26, 2017 9:32:09 GMT
Hi What is the ruling on misscats and MR? Lets say I have a wizard on a unicorn and a talisman of preservation no other armour or wards this time  . If I roll a hit on the misscast table do I use ward save 4+ from talisman or 2+ from talisman plus mr from unicorn? |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 26, 2017 12:14:19 GMT
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p. 7:
Q: Is damage caused by a miscast counted as a spell? Can a model with Magic Resistance add it to its ward save against it? (p34)
A: No to both questions.
To expand a bit:
BRB p. 72: A model with Magic Resistance has a bonus to its ward saves when saving against damage caused by spells.
While Hits inflicted by rolls on the Miscast table are treated as magical attacks, they are not spells, and thus MR does not work against them.
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Post by avatarofbugman on Aug 26, 2017 12:45:28 GMT
Correct. A miscast is not a spell, therefore MR does not apply.
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Post by frozenfood on Aug 26, 2017 12:49:12 GMT
And the Banner of the overpowered Dragon?
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Post by KevinC on Aug 26, 2017 13:03:32 GMT
And the Banner of the overpowered Dragon? -------------I believe the the pointy-ears get their banner save. Damage from the miscast table count as magical attacks. |
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Post by strutsagget on Aug 26, 2017 13:21:46 GMT
Thx! Feels so wrong but I guess thats why there is an other MR thread |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 26, 2017 13:24:24 GMT
And the Banner of the overpowered Dragon? -------------I believe the the pointy-ears get their banner save. Damage from the miscast table count as magical attacks. What KevinC said. The Banner works "against all Wounds caused by spells, magic weapons and magical attacks" (HE AB, p. 65). BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.9: Q: What are ‘magical attacks’? (p68) A: All attacks made by spells and magic items are considered to be magical attacks, as are all attacks that are specifically noted as being magical attacks. Shots fired from magical items are also considered to be magical attacks, unless their description specifically states otherwise. Hits inflicted by rolls on the Miscast table are treated as magical attacks. |
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Post by knoffles on Aug 27, 2017 7:23:31 GMT
Good to know, quite a few at the club have been playing that wrong. I'm liking these rule threads. KevinC it maybe overkill but is it worth having a rules clarification folder (or sub folder). |
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Post by theunheard on Aug 27, 2017 20:59:17 GMT
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.9: Q: What are ‘magical attacks’? (p68) A: All attacks made by spells and magic items are considered to be magical attacks, as are all attacks that are specifically noted as being magical attacks. Shots fired from magical items are also considered to be magical attacks, unless their description specifically states otherwise. Hits inflicted by rolls on the Miscast table are treated as magical attacks. New to the forum - I'll have to find this PDF but magic items, is that meant to include weapons as it says shooting as well. I'm thinking dwarf rune of burning you save against or a fireball but I've never considered a magical sword you'd get MR for. Will |
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Post by gjnoronh on Aug 27, 2017 21:02:40 GMT
MR only works on spells. Banner of the world Dragon works on any source of magical attacks including magic weapons.
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Post by strutsagget on Aug 27, 2017 21:36:27 GMT
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.9: Q: What are ‘magical attacks’? (p68) A: All attacks made by spells and magic items are considered to be magical attacks, as are all attacks that are specifically noted as being magical attacks. Shots fired from magical items are also considered to be magical attacks, unless their description specifically states otherwise. Hits inflicted by rolls on the Miscast table are treated as magical attacks. New to the forum - I'll have to find this PDF but magic items, is that meant to include weapons as it says shooting as well. I'm thinking dwarf rune of burning you save against or a fireball but I've never considered a magical sword you'd get MR for. Will Hi, Think you find alot here: WFB 8th Edition Official GW FAQs r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=1033149&share_tid=129&url=http%3A%2F%2Feefl%2Efreeforums%2Enet%2Fthread%2F129&share_type=t |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 28, 2017 7:52:10 GMT
New to the forum - I'll have to find this PDF but magic items, is that meant to include weapons as it says shooting as well. I'm thinking dwarf rune of burning you save against or a fireball but I've never considered a magical sword you'd get MR for. Will To add to what gjnoronh and strutsagget have said. magic weapons are a category of magic items. BRB p. 500: "Magic items are divided into six categories: Magic Weapons, Magic Armour, Talismans, Enchanted Items, Arcane Items and Magic Standards." Regarding Dwarf equipment, the Dwarfs AB states (p.59): "It is important to remember that an Ancestral Heirloom or runic item is no different from a magic item, and all the usual rules for magic items still apply.[...]All the rules that apply to the possession and use of magic items also apply to runic items." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 17:34:38 GMT
And the Banner of the overpowered Dragon? Absolutely hate that thing. Yes you get the Ward save from the banner against everything magic related; here's what I can think of off the top of my head: Magic Weapons Anything that counts as magical attacks (runed warmachines, ethereal, daemonic, warpstone weapons) spells miscasts I hate that banner, it's one of the stupidest most broken items in the game and a no-brainer include in every list. I will say that I don't begrudge players that take it, I just seethe with anger at the idiots that playtested it and allowed it into the final cut. It should cost double what it does now. AND it shouldn't allow hex's or augments to work on the unit carrying it. And a mage that is in the unit shouldn't be allowed to cast spells. Wanna make a Daemon player cry? Take that banner in your list. You get a 2+ Ward save against HIS ENTIRE ARMY. Who thought that was fair and not broken? |
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Post by mottdon on Aug 28, 2017 18:53:08 GMT
With all of the High Elf rules that came with that book (ASF, attacking in extra rank, Book of Hoeth, Banner of the World Dragon, etc.), I'd say the writers either had a serious Elf fetish or they were really trying to push HE to be a top-tier army.
Now, I LOVE my HE, but even I am turned off a bit by just how OP they can be at times. I usually find myself actually trying to make abnormal, sub-optimal HE lists when I play with them. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 19:28:18 GMT
I'm actually glad that the elves (and elves in general, it's nice to see more armies out there) are a good army book. I wish more of the books could be of the caliber that High Elves, Dark Elves, and WoC are.
I'm glad to see that you at least have some restraint; my buddy brought everything AND the kitchen sink to try and beat me with his high elves. Sorry if it shows through when I talk about some of the nastiness that they can bring. I like the models and the background and don't begrudge people that want to play them.
Frost Phoenixes are the only other unit/item that bothers me. The sheer utility that they bring to the army and their nasty combination of ASL AND -1S is just...crazy. Especially for an army like WoC who don't really have a lot of ways to deal with the thing at range.
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