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Post by thegoat on May 4, 2023 17:59:30 GMT
Sooo to clarify, there will be NO 'starter set' i.e. no bog box with two opposing armies as we knew it in previous editions. No. GW marketing thinks starter box and launch box are different things. Whereas their customers group those two things together. The Leviathan box for 10th edition 40k GW just announced is not a starter box it is a launch box. There will very likely be a similar launch box for WH:TOW with two forces of minatures, the rules, dice, templates, blast markers, and whippy sticks.
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Post by Naitsabes on May 4, 2023 20:35:47 GMT
No. GW marketing thinks starter box and launch box are different things. Whereas their customers group those two things together. The Leviathan box for 10th edition 40k GW just announced is not a starter box it is a launch box. There will very likely be a similar launch box for WH:TOW with two forces of minatures, the rules, dice, templates, blast markers, and whippy sticks. just trying to wrap my head around this evil corp newspeak. so, same content but presumably a 'launch box' is only available upon launch (duh!)? as opposed to a 'starter box' which would be available for the duration of an edition?
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Post by DiscoQing on May 4, 2023 20:57:16 GMT
No, starter boxes are also limited.
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Post by thegoat on May 4, 2023 21:21:59 GMT
No. GW marketing thinks starter box and launch box are different things. Whereas their customers group those two things together. The Leviathan box for 10th edition 40k GW just announced is not a starter box it is a launch box. There will very likely be a similar launch box for WH:TOW with two forces of minatures, the rules, dice, templates, blast markers, and whippy sticks. just trying to wrap my head around this evil corp newspeak. so, same content but presumably a 'launch box' is only available upon launch (duh!)? as opposed to a 'starter box' which would be available for the duration of an edition? I think the logic is a starter box contains everything you need to play the game. That means the models can be assembled without glue (snap fit) and the box includes a play mat and some terrain. It also probably has a "how to play" booklet and for sure advertisements for what to buy next.
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Post by johngg on May 5, 2023 10:38:58 GMT
Sooo to clarify, there will be NO 'starter set' i.e. no bog box with two opposing armies as we knew it in previous editions. No. GW marketing thinks starter box and launch box are different things. Whereas their customers group those two things together. The Leviathan box for 10th edition 40k GW just announced is not a starter box it is a launch box. There will very likely be a similar launch box for WH:TOW with two forces of minatures, the rules, dice, templates, blast markers, and whippy sticks. The preview I watched on twitch and the follow up Q&A specifically stated there will be no 'starter, 'beginning', 'launch' box, or what ever iteration you wish to call it, with 2 opposing armies within. No doubt there will be a 'rules bundle' which may or may not be conveiently packaged in a box of some sort but we should NOT expect to get an nIland of Blood style 'box'.
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Post by thegoat on May 5, 2023 11:09:41 GMT
No. GW marketing thinks starter box and launch box are different things. Whereas their customers group those two things together. The Leviathan box for 10th edition 40k GW just announced is not a starter box it is a launch box. There will very likely be a similar launch box for WH:TOW with two forces of minatures, the rules, dice, templates, blast markers, and whippy sticks. The preview I watched on twitch and the follow up Q&A specifically stated there will be no 'starter, 'beginning', 'launch' box, or what ever iteration you wish to call it, with 2 opposing armies within. No doubt there will be a 'rules bundle' which may or may not be conveiently packaged in a box of some sort but we should NOT expect to get an nIland of Blood style 'box'. Well that is different than what other people have reported. All the other reports have said "no launch box". IDK, I didn't watch the presentation.
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Post by johngg on May 5, 2023 11:19:25 GMT
IDK, I didn't watch the presentation. Woops
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Post by Mallo on May 5, 2023 12:13:11 GMT
This is my biggest issue with this preview- either GW are putting the info out in this way to purposely confuse people (Its an excellent marketing strategy, have everyone arguing with each other over what was 'officially' said which keeps the game on every ones mind and in their news feed) or they are just incompetent. The fact they a billion pound company that has survived over 40 years, makes me think its the first.
So according to the preview there would be no starter set. The host then clarified on twitter that by 'starter set', they meant a set like the AoS starter sets that contain two small forces of 'easy to build' minis, a cardboard matt, a quick play guide, the 'small' rules booklet, some dice and usually something like the box being flipped upside down to make a bit of terrain. They currently like making three of these sets for each of the main games (AoS, 40k) at different price points.
They then suggested that we would see a launch set of two armies etc but they were not classing it as a starter set. If I can find the twitter clarification I will post it (I hate twitter, and again its ridiculous to run a Q&A session that then needs further clarification on a separate platform- the hosts private account no less)
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Post by Mallo on May 5, 2023 12:37:11 GMT
Found it:
Again, it only implies we will see a launch set (As HH has one and isn't being classed as a 'starter' set), we just won't see a 'starter set' on the shelf for the shelf life of the edition.
I still think it reeks of bad advertising, rather than bad corporate wording causing confusions. But I guess we will see!
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Post by thegoat on May 5, 2023 12:59:21 GMT
I still think it reeks of bad advertising, rather than bad corporate wording causing confusions. But I guess we will see! I think you are over estimating the cleverness of GW marketing folk. My money is still on GW thinking starter box and launch box are different things. Until they post an article directly contradicting this, I expect a box set like Horus Heresy got.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 8, 2023 9:21:42 GMT
Why do you guys not like this new Tomb King model? Dare I say, I thought this was the best Tomb King model to date? I think he's great, I'm just annoyed that he's resin when he should have been plastic. Same with the Bretonnian Paladin. With regards to Bretonnians and Tomb Kings being squatted the first time round, I don't think it was down to not enough fans playing them (for they've always had dedicated fanbases), I think it was GW not wanting to invest more into them than they thought was necessary at the time, when they had their favourite factions of Empire, Vampires, Warriors of Chaos and Dark Elves to spam new models and powerful rules for at every chance they could get. I honestly hope they've learned their lesson (which they seem to given that they've been bringing back or otherwise giving new love to other factions they shitted on in the past like Genestealer Cults, Sisters and Squats) and that Bretonnians and Tomb Kings are at the forefront of TOW as they deserve to be.
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Post by johngg on May 8, 2023 10:59:10 GMT
I think you are over estimating the cleverness of GW marketing folk. My money is still on GW thinking starter box and launch box are different things. Until they post an article directly contradicting this, I expect a box set like Horus Heresy got. I agree. With the following caveats: * Not all of GW will be aware of the Marketting Strategy, or even if there is or ever has been one * GW will be inacapable, unable or imcompetent of delivering such strategy * There will be many iterations of said strategy... *... leading most to believe there is no or never has been a strategy * While everyone is discussing the above the box(s) will launch anyway and we'll all start squabbling over what a 'template' is
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Post by mottdon on May 17, 2023 13:28:44 GMT
I'm all for buying squatted armies I never got to buy when I was younger. Don't wanna lose out on buying Brets again, and if the box is indeed both Bretonnians and Tomb Kings, I'm a day one buyer. The Tomb King model is absolutely amazing, the only problem is the skin tone choice for the photographs. It makes it look a little too cartoony than what it has potential to be. I'm going to paint mine up to look desiccated, dry, and leathery. Maybe drill out the eyes for more eye sockety goodness. This. The TK doesn't really bother me (other than the color choices - that face color is horrible) but there's no real "Wow" factor in it. I have lots of other TK characters, most of which I like more than this. What's the incentive for me to spend GW prices on it? The Bret Knight again, is okay. Could be perspective, etc. but he looks squatty to me. Probably has a lot to do with it having no waist, but who knows, probably more historically accurate as to how armor was made and fit back then. I'll probably get it, just because I don't know of any other good options - yet. As for others, I really like the Night Goblin. I think he'd make a great special character for a Squig themed army. I don't know of one - KevinC? I could see adding some of the Crypt Ghouls to add in some variation to units. Maybe the one with a leather coat as a unit leader or something. Not high on the list though. The "Empire" Knights look well made, but I'm not sure that I like the variety between them though. Brets are supposed to be unique with their heraldry, Empire are supposed to represent their chapters and have a good amount of unit cohesion. Especially in the heads and weapons. I hope they give weapon options (all lances, for example) but with GW's track record of late, I'm not sure that'll be a choice. If nothing else, it'd be nice to have a chapter-specific pack available for purchase, like back inna day.
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Post by sedge on May 21, 2023 18:03:32 GMT
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Post by mottdon on May 21, 2023 19:58:34 GMT
Yes. There are a lot of Lizardmen models that we can use from this release!
The Slann and Skink Priest aren't that different from their previous versions to justify me buying yet another one. I have only RARELY seen more than one Slann used in a single game. Definitely a strong magic game, but kind-of an "all eggs in one basket" strategy.
The Scar Vet, I really like. If for no other reason than to put him on a hero-level Carnosaur. I've always felt like the Oldblood should be riding a bigger dinosaur. The higher up the food-chain you go, the more pimped out your ride gets.
I really like the BSB as well! The "banner" on the previous one was nice, but I HATED the Scar Vet holding it. He looked like he crawled out of the short spawning pool, in the middle of Bumblefuck Lustria. This new one I can get behind.
The new Cold One Riders look cool, but I really don't NEED more than the 30 I already have. 🫤
I really like the new Kroxigor. I think they'd blend in well with the ones I already have. I could see me eventually getting two boxes, but they're not high on the priority list.
I can't really see a good use for the Skink Riders that the army doesn't already have. Maybe if one was a priest. But just not really needed.
The Saurus Warriors - I don't really see much of a difference. Hey, if someone needs some I guess.
The new Salamander looks great. Not going to rush out to replace my two pewter Salamanders, but if I ever need to, these 'ill do.
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