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Post by sedge on Apr 30, 2023 13:30:38 GMT
The Warhammer Community post: www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/30/warhammer-the-old-world-a-noble-bretonnian-paladin-stands-up-to-a-tomb-king/    Relevant text: Our first two new models from Warhammer: The Old World are a Tomb King from Nehekhara and a Bretonnian Paladin. They’re both resin models, and they’re the first of many we’ll see before the game is out. New models for the game will be released in Citadel plastic and Forge World resin, and they’ll join a whole range of resurrected and revitalised miniatures from prior editions of Warhammer Fantasy Battles – in plastic, resin, and metal – to make satisfyingly varied armies.
We took a moment to talk to the team behind these fantastic new miniatures.
“I was really happy to find out that I was going to be working on a Tomb King,” explains Agata, who sculpted the Tomb King. “Their story is so tragic and I found it fascinating to learn all about it. They spent all that time preparing for a glorious afterlife but, thanks to a cruel twist of fate, they are forced to suffer their eternal life trapped within shrivelled, mummified bodies. I wanted to capture that tragedy and the anger they must feel about their fate in the miniature, which is why he is posed in such an aggressive stance with such a furious expression on his face.”
“Getting to work on a Bretonnian was so exciting!” adds Alastair, who created the Paladin. “I collected a small Bretonnian force previously for Warhammer Fantasy Battle, so being able to add to a range that I used to play with all those years ago was awesome. I really enjoyed being able to search through older source material for inspiration, there is so much rich design language in the old army books that really inspired the design of this miniature. In my mind, Bretonnian Knights are stoic warriors, and perhaps just a little pompous, so I wanted to make sure that those attitudes came across in the miniature by having him stand heroically over his beheaded opponent – an Orc who I am sure he bested in single combat with little trouble!”
This is only the start of a flood of new models for Warhammer: The Old World. |
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Post by sedge on Apr 30, 2023 13:34:59 GMT
Thoughts:
Models - The Paladin is cool. I'm definitely up for Bret foot knights. I don't love the Tomb King model.
Release - It's annoying but inevitable that several factions aren't going to get any love from TOW, and it's concerning that they haven't confirmed they'll re-release models for all factions (just "many"). I guess we also won't be getting Cathay models unless someone comes up with a convincing reason for them featuring in the Great War Against Chaos, though I'm not so bothered about Cathay.
Assuming the start box is Brets vs Tomb Kings, I'll get it, but TKs are one of my less-favoured races. Hopefully they get some new plastic core units that move them up a notch in model quality.
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Post by thegoat on Apr 30, 2023 13:42:49 GMT
First two armies will be Brets + Tomb Kings (getting new + returning models). They didn't say whether those would be the starter set though, but it seems likely they will. Such a bizarre choice. Yea, I get that those factions were Squated in the switch to AoS. So GW wants to show they are committed to supporting players who lost their factions. But to be honest they were Squated for a reason. They were unpopular. |
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Post by saniles on Apr 30, 2023 15:05:29 GMT
Brets had a 6th Ed book and TK were exceptionally underwhelming, not surprised they were unpopular. Improvements to their books will change that
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Post by sedge on Apr 30, 2023 15:14:33 GMT
GW sell lots of a kit when it's newly released, with sales tapering off dramatically afterwards. Brets went two editions without a new release, so it's no surprise they were a poor seller come 8th. They were also a daunting army to collect for new players given they involve painting individual heraldries and lots of cavalry. GW look to be addressing that by guiding players to having a uniform colour scheme across their army and by introducing better infantry units for the army. I reckon they'll be a much bigger seller after that.
Tomb Kings were let down by crappy, outdated core units. It's much easier to sell someone an army when they can have modern plastic Witch Elves, Dreadspears, Corsairs and Dark Riders making up the core of their army, rather than goofy decades-old skeletons. I still don't feel they're an obvious choice for the starter set, but the point made further up the thread about GW showing their commitment to two neglected races is a good one.
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Post by Mr Blank on Apr 30, 2023 15:49:29 GMT
The only model shown today that doesn't look awful to me is the nurgle harbinger and even then i much prefer the old version. I think it's time for me to accept that generally i just don't like new gw models.
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Post by thegoat on Apr 30, 2023 17:03:25 GMT
Brets had a 6th Ed book and TK were exceptionally underwhelming, not surprised they were unpopular. Improvements to their books will change that I agree 100%. Whatever GW hypes with good models and decent rules will sell. Bret's and Tomb Kings are unpopular because they missed out on one or both of those qualities. They are not intrinsically cursed to always be unpopular. I still think launching with two unpopular factions is a horrible idea. It should be one of the two above and one mainstay popular faction. Like Bret's vs Orcs would be ten times better. And I'm saying this as somebody with an entire Tomb King army just waiting to be painted. I hope I'm proven wrong and launching with the red headed step children turns out to be a winning move for WH:TOW. |
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Post by thegoat on Apr 30, 2023 17:06:18 GMT
The only model shown today that doesn't look awful to me is the nurgle harbinger and even then i much prefer the old version. I think it's time for me to accept that generally i just don't like new gw models. Good to know I'm not the only one who thought that was the sixth(?) edition Nurgle Lord. The new one is probably 50% larger because AoS. |
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Post by sedge on Apr 30, 2023 20:47:10 GMT
Looking back at the AoS stuff previewed:
I'm really not sure about those Knights, if they're meant for Warhammer Fantasy too. I think I'd want to see them with lances, musician, and ranked up in a uniform colour scheme to decide whether they could work. They're cool models but feel too individualistic at present.
The mounted Nurgle Lord is boss. I'm not a Nurgle fan, but I do like the classic mounted Nurgle Lord, and this is a quality update of that model. I'm actually tempted by it.
I like the concept of Ghoul Hero level characters, but I don't like the model they've shown here. They've done better Ghoul characters in Cursed City, and one of the Underworlds boxes.
Fireslayers I have no time for.
The Goblin Boss is cool, but there are lots of cool Night Goblin bosses out there already.
The massive Black Orc pig monster is actually quite fun. I'm not sure it'll make it into TOW, but it could proxy as a Boar Chariot. I'm tempted by it.
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 1, 2023 4:28:03 GMT
GW sell lots of a kit when it's newly released, with sales tapering off dramatically afterwards. Brets went two editions without a new release, so it's no surprise they were a poor seller come 8th. They were also a daunting army to collect for new players given they involve painting individual heraldries and lots of cavalry. GW look to be addressing that by guiding players to having a uniform colour scheme across their army and by introducing better infantry units for the army. I reckon they'll be a much bigger seller after that. Tomb Kings were let down by crappy, outdated core units. It's much easier to sell someone an army when they can have modern plastic Witch Elves, Dreadspears, Corsairs and Dark Riders making up the core of their army, rather than goofy decades-old skeletons. I still don't feel they're an obvious choice for the starter set, but the point made further up the thread about GW showing their commitment to two neglected races is a good one. With Tomb Kings, VC stole their thunder later as a release but a big problem with the 8th release was the lack of new character models including special characters. Half their special characters, including the new for 8th ones never got a release. Sphinx kit was amazing but good units like Heirotitans not seeing model releases dulled the edge of their release and made it seem 'unfinished'. Then when VC were released with the ability to march and cheaper equivalent units (skeletons with spears, graveguard with great weapons vs tomb guard with halberds) and an amazing new plastic skeleton kit it firmly established Tomb Kings as the secondary undead faction. Unfortunately a bit disappointed in the new Tomb King model. Its...ok only to me. Empire knights look promising but not as knights. Champ could easily be a general and the unit banner guy would make a lovely bsb. |
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Post by KevinC on May 1, 2023 15:01:11 GMT
Why do you guys not like this new Tomb King model? Dare I say, I thought this was the best Tomb King model to date?
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 1, 2023 16:55:13 GMT
Why do you guys not like this new Tomb King model? Dare I say, I thought this was the best Tomb King model to date? The open mouth face mostly, I prefer the existing GW one with Great Weapon overall. Unfortunately I had high hopes so am a bit let down, I'd still like to own the model, but given GW just released The Lion and a new Screamer Killer I find this one a bit disappointing. It's not bad...it's just not great. I personally prefer both the great weapon and chariot mounted tomb king variant to this one. Maybe there is an alternative head option. Also not really a fan of the pointing forwards weapon he is holding. So for me personally a middle of the pack tomb king. 3/5 ranking. Above the Warsphinx tomb king (least favourite) and just above the HW/Shield tomb king. All subjective of course but when I saw 'new tomb king' link I got excited then deflated when I actually saw it. |
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on May 1, 2023 17:05:53 GMT
I'm all for buying squatted armies I never got to buy when I was younger. Don't wanna lose out on buying Brets again, and if the box is indeed both Bretonnians and Tomb Kings, I'm a day one buyer. The Tomb King model is absolutely amazing, the only problem is the skin tone choice for the photographs. It makes it look a little too cartoony than what it has potential to be. I'm going to paint mine up to look desiccated, dry, and leathery. Maybe drill out the eyes for more eye sockety goodness.
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Post by knoffles on May 2, 2023 17:44:56 GMT
The AOS knights have really grown on me after I initially dismissed them. The more I see the baroque armour the more I like then. I think they’d make a really good alternative empire knightly order. The bit about them I don’t like is the horses. I can’t quite put my finger on it but it might be because they look too much like the 40k solar general imperial guard one.
I also really like the Bret and tomb king models. I’m a sucker for questing knights and TK is the one army I really want but never got. The one potential issue I foresee is they are very likely on 25mm bases (given what gw have already said) so are likely to be a pain to make backwards compatible (especially the knight).
The Lizardman scenery in the warcry box is a cool alternative to the standalone one they sell but not enough to make me want to buy the box.
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Post by johngg on May 4, 2023 16:52:15 GMT
Sooo to clarify, there will be NO 'starter set' i.e. no bog box with two opposing armies as we knew it in previous editions.
There will be Faction starter sets, much like 40K's combat patrol or AoS vanguard boxes.
Clearly, the first two will be Bretonnians and Tomb Kings.
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