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Post by copperpotmd on Dec 19, 2023 1:48:12 GMT
I think we all know trolls are awesome...but I want to start using some of the Rare variety.
River/Marsh strider and -1 to hit is awesome for the River troll.
5+ Scaly skin is sweet for the stone troll...but the MR seems incredibly situational. It helps with....flame spells? Fireball? MR doesn't add to regen, so what is the point?
Seems to me like River trolls are the way to go. Am I missing anything?
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Post by thorpyuk on Dec 19, 2023 10:35:02 GMT
MR doesn't add to regen, but remember flaming attacks (including fireball) remove regeneration, so this would mean you still getting a ward save from that at least..
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Post by KevinC on Dec 19, 2023 13:18:15 GMT
If we are talking about purely the most cost effective, it's probably the River Troll. The -1 to hit penalty is really good. While the MR 2 and scaly skin 5+ on the Stone Troll can be useful - it's more situational (i.e. fire magic or S3 attacks). I like to use Stone Trolls simply because they are some of my favorite models.
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Post by Luigino on Dec 19, 2023 16:03:53 GMT
what about regular trolls? What do they have ?
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Post by baaderthegreat on Dec 19, 2023 16:47:06 GMT
a) They're cheaper.
b) They aren't from the rare section.
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Post by copperpotmd on Dec 19, 2023 20:03:30 GMT
If we are talking about purely the most cost effective, it's probably the River Troll. The -1 to hit penalty is really good. While the MR 2 and scaly skin 5+ on the Stone Troll can be useful - it's more situational (i.e. fire magic or S3 attacks). I like to use Stone Trolls simply because they are some of my favorite models. Yea, I have to agree that River is the way to go...although without a doubt, Stone Trolls look the best. |
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Post by copperpotmd on Dec 19, 2023 20:04:32 GMT
what about regular trolls? What do they have ? Exactly what badder said, they are 10pts less each and are a Special choice instead of Rare. |
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Post by Horace on Dec 19, 2023 22:41:36 GMT
Rare is usually quite a congested allocation for O&G, I rarely get to use non-vanilla trolls
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Post by Luigino on Dec 20, 2023 1:03:42 GMT
Rare is usually quite a congested allocation for O&G, I rarely get to use non-vanilla trolls all that means is that you need to have a battle with 50k points per side. |
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Post by tileag on Dec 20, 2023 1:13:49 GMT
Rare is usually quite a congested allocation for O&G, I rarely get to use non-vanilla trolls all that means is that you need to have a battle with 50k points per side. Luigino is right, although 50k per side is a little on the small side |
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Post by copperpotmd on Dec 20, 2023 3:15:20 GMT
all that means is that you need to have a battle with 50k points per side. Luigino is right, although 50k per side is a little on the small side Ha, this is coming up because I am building a 5k list for a 2v2 10k battle. I normally take vanilla trolls, but with these points I figured, Why not go rare? |
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Post by KevinC on Dec 22, 2023 4:37:29 GMT
a) They're cheaper. b) They aren't from the rare section. -------Which ultimately makes them the best. |
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Post by mcnuggs on Dec 22, 2023 15:10:55 GMT
a) They're cheaper. b) They aren't from the rare section. -------Which ultimately makes them the best. I ultimately agree with this… I love River/Stone Trolls, but 10 PPM and Rare for their effects make them semi-misses for me. Stone trolls are cool, but their increase vs. magic is only powerful outside of combat, and their scaly skin rarely makes a difference as I send these guys to deal with heavy hitters that I can vomit on (who typically break through that 5+, and they end up relying on Regen anyways.) River Trolls suffer a similar issue… yes, -1 to hit in Combat is a very powerful effect, but it only improves their survivability in CC (and they still end up relying on the Regen, which regular Trolls have.) Imo, I’d rather just have MORE regular Trolls! 4 standard is 140 points, while 3 Rare Trolls is 135. A unit of 8 Trolls (4x2) I feel will be much more threatening than 6 (3x2) Rare trolls, for only 10 points more. That being said, pick Stone Trolls for the models, and River Trolls for the rules. |
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Post by sedge on Jan 2, 2024 14:26:09 GMT
There's a lot of either/or answers in this thread, when really the question should be "how can I fit as many regular Trolls, River Trolls and Stone Trolls into my army"? KevinC has the answer. That Banner of Eternal Flame can only be in one place at a time. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Jan 2, 2024 16:41:52 GMT
I would certainly plump for River Trolls if I had to choose between the two - the -1 to hit them in any melee is much more useful than a 5+ armour save or Magic Resistance (2), both of which only apply in situations that may not always occur (against attacks with Strength 4 or less and against spells respectively). By contrast your Trolls are always going to be getting into melee (unless they decide to be stupid of course  ), and the -1 to hit penalty against River Trolls really helps to stack a fight in their favour. |
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