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Post by lordofskullpass on Jul 5, 2019 18:29:10 GMT
Hello fellow Fantasy players, haven’t been very active here for a stint, but I’m in need of some pre-purchase advice. If you’ve been paying attention to GW’s releases of late, you’ll know that they re-released the world-famous Halfling Hot-Pot Catapult for a week as part of their Warhammer Legends line. It’s been a good few weeks since that offer vanished into the midst of time again, but I’ve found a shop that has one on the shelf. It’s certainly a fun little Warhammer mini and a piece of Warhammer history, but in my view it wouldn’t be worth purchasing unless there was a use for it in a game, so I’ve come to ask you all for advice before I get it (if it’s still there next time I go). I remember that back in the days of Warhammer Fantasy, heaps of bitz and vignettes packs and GW’s old and less fiddly website, they were still selling the Hot Pot Catapult, and on the original description they said that it could be used as an Empire Mortar proxy. Therefore, my question is, given that the Dwarf Grudge Thrower was retired when AoS first came on the scene and that I currently don’t own one, could the Hot-Pot Catapult also be deemed a valid Grudge Thrower proxy, knowing that GW’s Hobbit parodies also maintained friendly relations with Dwarfs? My three main concerns are: - A pot of boiling hot stew is not as dangerous as a massive, rune-covered rock.
- Halflings are not as naturally tough as Dwarfs (although they are as slow-moving)
- A hastily-built Halfling Catapult is not nearly as good a quality machine as a trusty Dwarf mechanical one.
Nevertheless, I’m interested to see if you all think it would be a legal proxy. I eagerly await your thoughts!
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Post by sedge on Jul 5, 2019 18:49:38 GMT
I wouldn't object to an opponent asking to use it as one if they asked, but I wouldn't field it as a Grudge Thrower myself. Halflings just aren't remotely close to dwarven toughness, and it's hard to see the hotpot catapult having the range of a Grudge Thrower. While you could explain away the rules with particularly spicy recipes, would prideful dwarves really allow a flimsy halfling warmachine that makes manling engineering look sturdy to be part of their army?
How open are your gaming group to using unofficial rules? KevinC has rules for the hotpot thrower (and a whole Halfling army) on this forum.
Alternatively, if you think you might ever pick up an Empire army in the future, it'd be worth getting it for that.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Jul 5, 2019 20:15:33 GMT
Thank you for replying! I wouldn't object to an opponent asking to use it as one if they asked, but I wouldn't field it as a Grudge Thrower myself. Halflings just aren't remotely close to dwarven toughness, and it's hard to see the hotpot catapult having the range of a Grudge Thrower. While you could explain away the rules with particularly spicy recipes, would prideful dwarves really allow a flimsy halfling warmachine that makes manling engineering look sturdy to be part of their army? This was what I was thinking as part of my concerns above. How open are your gaming group to using unofficial rules? KevinC has rules for the hotpot thrower (and a whole Halfling army) on this forum. I don’t have a gaming group as such, but am a fan of unofficial rules myself as long as they are balanced, and I’m pretty sure a Halfling army list would be balanced. Didn’t know KevinC had done his own unofficial Halfling rules, I’ll have a gander at those. Alternatively, if you think you might ever pick up an Empire army in the future, it'd be worth getting it for that. I’m afraid the Empire is one of my least favourite Warhammer Fantasy factions alongside Vampire Counts, so the only way I’d be motivated to use a hot-pot catapult in games given all this information is through an unofficial army list like the one you mentioned above, and I’d have to search for a whole load of Halfling infantry as well to make such an army legal. Given that I’ve got 5 official Fantasy armies on the go as well as 40K and Middle Earth armies, it’s unlikely I’ll ever get round to doing Halflings sadly.
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Post by knoffles on Jul 6, 2019 8:10:40 GMT
You could explain it that they aren’t just firing the contents but the cauldron too. The solid lump of cast iron is the S9 hit and the contents the S3 blast template
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Post by lordofskullpass on Jul 6, 2019 12:39:11 GMT
You could explain it that they aren’t just firing the contents but the cauldron too. The solid lump of cast iron is the S9 hit and the contents the S3 blast template I thought that was implied, which was why I thought of the idea of using it as a Grudge Thrower
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Post by DiscoQing on Jul 7, 2019 0:15:20 GMT
Short answer: yes. Great model, easily explained etc.
If I had an empire army, I'd use one as a mortar.
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Post by Horace on Jul 8, 2019 9:08:30 GMT
I'd probably use KevinC s rules. They are fairly similar to the original rules (36" rock lobber with S5/S3 hits, no armour saves) but with some upgrade options. As with all unofficial rules the only difficult bit is gauging a fair points cost for the unit so just make sure your opponent is happy with it beforehand. I would then just run it as an allied unit in whichever army you want to use it in, so it is actually crewed by Halflings.
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Post by KevinC on Jul 8, 2019 16:10:31 GMT
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jul 12, 2019 1:32:06 GMT
I like the Kevin C Hotpot rules.
If someone just wanted to proxy I wouldn't object as the Halfling Hotpot is such an epic figure.
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