|
Post by lordofskullpass on Oct 20, 2021 12:37:02 GMT
Would be nice if gw did drop the caraway army book on us .... they were supposed to have had the beastmen 8th ed army book ready to go.. before they blew up the world ! Really? Wow, we missed out by a whisker! I certainly hope that if they did release the Cathay book, even if it were for only a small period of time and on a PDF, that they'd also release the Beastman one. Indeed if they'd also made Bretonnia and Skaven books by the time rotten End Times appeared those would also be most welcome!
|
|
|
Post by Golgfag on Oct 20, 2021 22:35:07 GMT
As awesome as it would be I doubt they will ever sell the 8th edition Cathay book, as it is literally full of units they don't currently sell miniatures for and by the time they are ready to sell us a gorgeous new army, they will want us playing ToW.
|
|
|
Post by mottdon on Oct 21, 2021 12:18:27 GMT
Well, it didn't stop them from writing in units like the Heirotitan, or characters without a model. There's tons of those. Don't know why they'd suddenly change tactics now, although, the way they make models off the sprue these days, they don't leave much room for kit-bashing.
|
|
|
Post by thegoat on Oct 21, 2021 15:29:44 GMT
Well, it didn't stop them from writing in units like the Heirotitan, or characters without a model. There's tons of those. Don't know why they'd suddenly change tactics now, although, the way they make models off the sprue these days, they don't leave much room for kit-bashing. About ten years ago GW sued a third party miniature manufacturer (Chapterhouse Studios) for infringing their intellectual property. The court, by and large, sided with Chapterhouse Studios (though not 100%). In particular the court said people are free to make and sell their own miniatures for units/characters that GW writes rules for, but never released official miniatures for. Ever since then, GW doesn't release rules without a corresponding model.
|
|
|
Post by Golgfag on Oct 21, 2021 17:23:36 GMT
Well, it didn't stop them from writing in units like the Heirotitan, or characters without a model. There's tons of those. Don't know why they'd suddenly change tactics now, although, the way they make models off the sprue these days, they don't leave much room for kit-bashing. About ten years ago GW sued a third party miniature manufacturer (Chapterhouse Studios) for infringing their intellectual property. The court, by and large, sided with Chapterhouse Studios (though not 100%). In particular the court said people are free to make and sell their own miniatures for units/characters that GW writes rules for, but never released official miniatures for. Ever since then, GW doesn't release rules without a corresponding model. This, it sucks, I don't agree with GW viewpoint but there will already be 3rd party sculpters as we speak working on miniatures from those previewed concepts, no chance GW will encourage them more by giving them official rules support for a game they stopped selling years ago.
|
|
Tubis
Full Member
 
Posts: 203
|
Post by Tubis on Oct 21, 2021 23:00:32 GMT
I was absolutely astonished that GW would go as far as to write a full book, profiles, lore and all. But watching the interview, Andy is actually reading large paragraphs from it, so it must be true. It's madness and such a tantalizing thought, that we might never get to see this!
But will we never get to see it? On the one hand I agree with you guys. If this was published, GW would play into the hands of the 3d printers and all of the various alternative miniature makers. No models - no rules and vice versa has been their mantra for years now.
But then again, why go through the trouble of writing a full book? Some resources had to be assigned to it. From the interview it seems that they were part of the Old World team, which is not large. I can understand them creating the lore, as this is essentially a mostly new faction and Nottingham would want to have a pretty strict creative control over this part. But profiles? Surely Creative Assembly can manage writing balanced stats for their game units without any help, it's what they do for a living after all. Or was this process followed for all of the more odball factions? Is there an 8th Ed Vampire Coast book out there? Are there 8th Ed profiles for Repanse, Grombrindal and some of the other revived special characters? So many questions (none of which were asked in the interview frustratingly)!
Perhaps the book could be a special edition add to the game? Or maybe Warhammer: the old world is so close to 8th rules wise, that essentially what they did is just gave them a draft of the planned Cathay book for the new edition?
|
|
|
Post by mottdon on Oct 22, 2021 0:24:06 GMT
Unfortunately, this is ALL conjecture and will continue to be, until The Old World is released. At that time, we'll know what we're presented with, but before then, we're just guessing.
|
|
|
Post by knoffles on Oct 22, 2021 9:19:57 GMT
Most things around TOW are all conjecture as about all they are giving us is maps! However I’m happy to bite and jump down the rabbit hole and blindly predict that the creation of the ‘8th Ed’ Cathay book could mean that TOW will be heavily based on the 8th ruleset. At the very least, anyone who thinks that it will go back to guessing ranges I’m positive will be sadly disappointed. The creation of an 8th ed army book isn’t a huge stretch and perhaps shows how much further along they might be than we realised. Even if the TOW ruleset was significantly different, then ‘all’ they’d need to do was perhaps tweak some of the unit stats/entries and special rules. The fluff would remain the same and then both of those could just be ported across to an army/campaign book for TOW.
|
|
|
Post by Golgfag on Oct 22, 2021 13:22:37 GMT
I am hopeful it will be similar to 8th or what 9th would have been over nonsense like guess ranges returning.
Would love to be wrong about GW releasing the Cathay 8th edition book too, as the policy GW implemented after Chapterhouse is awful for us customers, any changing of the tides over that viewpoint would be most welcome.
|
|
|
Post by thegoat on Oct 22, 2021 14:11:56 GMT
I am hopeful it will be similar to 8th or what 9th would have been over nonsense like guess ranges returning. Would love to be wrong about GW releasing the Cathay 8th edition book too, as the policy GW implemented after Chapterhouse is awful for us customers, any changing of the tides over that viewpoint would be most welcome. I can live with GW's "no model no rules" policy. What I absolutely hate is another policy they implemented in response to the Chapterhouse lawsuit. Now everything has to have a trademark friendly name. Dwarf, Orc and Elf? Nope! Now it is Dwarf, Orc and Elf. Just so that GW can have a solid trademark on those names. Blood Bowl continues to use the old, trademark unfriendly, names. ie. "The Athelorn Avengers - Wood Elf Blood Bowl Team" does not mention "Sylvaneth" in their title or description. So I hold out hope The Old World will not use the new dumb names.
|
|
|
Post by lordofskullpass on Oct 22, 2021 14:13:24 GMT
At the very least, anyone who thinks that it will go back to guessing ranges I’m positive will be sadly disappointed. I am hopeful it will be similar to 8th or what 9th would have been over nonsense like guess ranges returning. My main desire is for the Horde rule to be kicked and replaced with lapping round from 6th, given they've explicitly said they're going to be looking through all the editions from 3rd to 8th for inspiration, as the latter solves the same problem (getting more models into combat) while being more thematic and realistic and not being an obvious scheme to get people to buy more models, but given that they've been encouraging the use of hordes in AoS as well, things aren't looking promising. Personally I want to see no pre-measuring return as well, because you're not a god, you're a general on the battlefield, i.e. represented by your general model, and a general on a real-life battlefield wouldn't have much of an idea on whether his men are in range or not, particularly in medieval-esque fantasy like Warhammer.
|
|
|
Post by lordofskullpass on Oct 22, 2021 14:19:02 GMT
I am hopeful it will be similar to 8th or what 9th would have been over nonsense like guess ranges returning. Would love to be wrong about GW releasing the Cathay 8th edition book too, as the policy GW implemented after Chapterhouse is awful for us customers, any changing of the tides over that viewpoint would be most welcome. I can live with GW's "no model no rules" policy. What I absolutely hate is another policy they implemented in response to the Chapterhouse lawsuit. Now everything has to have a trademark friendly name. Dwarf, Orc and Elf? Nope! Now it is Dwarf(s), Orcs and Elf. Just so that GW can have a solid trademark on those names. Blood Bowl continues to use the old, trademark unfriendly, names. ie. "The Athelorn Avengers - Wood Elf Blood Bowl Team" does not mention "Sylvaneth" in their title or description. So I hold out hope The Old World will not use the new dumb names. They already mentioned in the Warhammer Community FAQ that the proper names would return, so that's one good thing confirmed.
|
|
|
Post by thegoat on Oct 22, 2021 14:24:51 GMT
They already mentioned in the Warhammer Community FAQ that the proper names would return, so that's one good thing confirmed. Yea? I must have missed that. Super happy to hear that proper names will be used!
|
|
|
Post by thegoat on Oct 22, 2021 14:27:52 GMT
Dwarf, Orc and Elf? Nope! Now it is Dwarf(s), Orcs and Elf. Ha ha! Looks like the board admins have a script to automatically "translate" the new dumb names I'm complaining about.
|
|
|
Post by padre on Oct 22, 2021 15:21:34 GMT
Dwarf, Orc and Elf? Nope! Now it is Dwarf(s), Orcs and Elf. Ha ha! Looks like the board admins have a script to automatically "translate" the new dumb names I'm complaining about. I was wondering what the heck was going on. Thanks for the explanation!
|
|