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Post by lordofskullpass on May 23, 2023 15:44:42 GMT
From this articleMain factions for WH:TOW: Other factions that will get rules but minimal support: - Dark Elves
- Skaven
- Vampire Counts
- Daemons of Chaos
- Ogre Kingdoms
- Lizardmen
- Chaos Dwarfs
It might not be a source of panic just yet, because this: Much of the action in the first wave of books and supplements takes place in and around the Border Princes – the barrier lands between the Empire and Orc territory. Accordingly, we will be focusing on nine core factions. Suggests that they're starting off with fewer factions to see how well the game does and make it easier for new players to get on board with the setting, like Warhammer: Total War only had 4 factions to start off with and expanded later on. I mean we've already seen that they're planning on making Kislev and Cathay models in time, so they definitely are planning to expand the game as time goes on so long as it is successful, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they gradually released supplements for the other factions later when their regions of the world are examined, much like Warhammer: Total War, and that the PDFs are simply a placeholder for old Fantasy players to keep using their army until then. I think it's also worth bearing in mind that most of the factions that are going to get the love first are either those who were scrapped soon into AoS (Bretonnians and Tomb Kings) or those that had their model range severely culled as AoS marched on (Dwarfs, High Elves, Wood Elves, and Empire too if we're counting the fact that they're going to be replaced with the new Cities of Skubmar range in the AoS section of the GW website in the near future). By contrast, most of the factions that are currently being left out of model and book love survived the Fantasy-AoS transition pretty much unscathed (certainly Vampires, Skaven, Daemons, Ogres and Lizardmen still function as armies in their own right, and right now Dark Elves still have the vast majority of their models spread between Daughters of Khaine and Cities of Skubmar), so it sounds to me as if GW have the operation spread out over a long period of time and are focusing on the most neglected Fantasy factions first, which conveniently enough are also some of the bigger players in the Old World. As for Chaos Dwarfs, it may well be that GW have a new plastic range still in the works, because they haven't been subtle about them remaining in the AoS universe in recent times with the Hobgoblins and Horns of Hashut, and are waiting until the range arrives before giving them full rules in both AoS and TOW. Something I am annoyed about though is that they're classing Tomb Kings as Evil now. They're clearly the good-guy Undead, with Vampires serving as the evil thralls of Nagash. Get it right boys! However, good to see Beastmen are there (here's hoping for the return of Beast Herds and Raiders to distinguish them from Orcs and Warriors), plus Dawi, Greenskins, Bretonnia, High Elves and for a change, Tomb Kings being the Undead faction that is front and centre. Also it's great to see the confirmation of the return of the old models! This is the biggest win! Interesting to see the Island of Blood Swordmasters appearing again, perhaps they'll be released in their own plastic set at last. Plus the appearance of Irondrakes confirms my hypothesis that they'll be moved over to the TOW store when the game arrives. Looking forward to seeing the classic Orcs come back, as I'm still missing some spear Boyz and Boar Boyz for my Greenskins. Also the appearance of the old plastic chapel makes me wonder if they're going to bring all the scenery back as well, which would be the icing on the cake. Strange to see the old Finecast/metal Treeman making a return when the plastic one currently in the Sylvaneth section of the website was originally released in 8th Edition, but it shows they're pulling all the stops out to bring old models back.
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Post by ryryak2 on May 23, 2023 16:25:18 GMT
Thanks for keeping us apprised of the Old World situation. I much prefer seeing this here than trying to keep up with Warhammer Community updates.
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Post by beastyboy on May 23, 2023 17:21:07 GMT
So excited to get beasts In the first wave !
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Post by thegoat on May 23, 2023 17:39:43 GMT
So excited to get beasts In the first wave ! Beastmen in the first wave is quite a surprise. I hope GW gives them a unique feel and play style. I don't like them being brown orcs.
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Post by ryryak2 on May 23, 2023 17:45:19 GMT
I'm looking forward to most of this initial release. Can't wait to get my hands on like 5 new armies
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Post by sedge on May 23, 2023 17:50:32 GMT
Ugh, I was hoping for a bigger range of factions - I thought Skaven and Vampire Counts were in for sure. What is massively disappointing is that it sounds like they won't be bringing back kits for the neglected seven factions. Also disappointing is no Kislev. I do understand starting small-ish and expanding from there, but I had thought the neglected factions would at least get some kits coming back.
They do hint very strongly that more armies will come in the future - they're clearly leading up to Asavar Kul, and "but we won’t see daemonic servants of individual gods for a while yet" tells us we will see Daemons in the future.
The pictures of the returning kits are mostly good, though there are some odd choices - that old Treeman for one, and also the old Orc Boar Chariot, which is long overdue an upgrade. It's great the IoB Swordmasters are back (I need more!) and also the Wood Elf Wardancers as I stupidly missed out on those when they were available.
It's a positive that the release seems more likely to be this year.
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Post by beastyboy on May 23, 2023 18:21:47 GMT
So excited to get beasts In the first wave ! Beastmen in the first wave is quite a surprise. I hope GW gives them a unique feel and play style. I don't like them being brown orcs. There not brown orcs but they need lots of love , just ways to build different army's would make me a happy camper and a rare section that would make me wat to buy things !
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Post by beastyboy on May 23, 2023 18:28:06 GMT
Ugh, I was hoping for a bigger range of factions - I thought Skaven and Vampire Counts were in for sure. What is massively disappointing is that it sounds like they won't be bringing back kits for the neglected seven factions. Also disappointing is no Kislev. I do understand starting small-ish and expanding from there, but I had thought the neglected factions would at least get some kits coming back. They do hint very strongly that more armies will come in the future - they're clearly leading up to Asavar Kul, and "but we won’t see daemonic servants of individual gods for a while yet" tells us we will see Daemons in the future. The pictures of the returning kits are mostly good, though there are some odd choices - that old Treeman for one, and also the old Orc Boar Chariot, which is long overdue an upgrade. It's great the IoB Swordmasters are back (I need more!) and also the Wood Elf Wardancers as I stupidly missed out on those when they were available. It's a positive that the release seems more likely to be this year. Most of those factions were pretty good in 8th maybe there just making those army books 9th compatible instead of a complete re write .
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Post by knoffles on May 24, 2023 6:55:43 GMT
Whether you like the news about the armies or not, this is at least the best article that GW have put out to date. I really like their talk about narrative which almost reinforces that it will be done in the same way as the heresy releases. If the initial story is focusing on the borderprinces, I wonder if they will be utilising any of the mythical black fire pass planned forgeworld book? I’m also putting my money where my mouth is and based on that, saying orcs will be one of the factions in the launch box.
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Post by simon on May 24, 2023 7:57:46 GMT
I think most people guessed this a long time ago so apologies for stating the obvious (!) but for me the significant thing about this announcement is that it finally confirms that the rules will be significantly different to 8th edition to necessitate pdfs for some factions rather than using the old books until the new ones are released. This isn't the first time this has happened of course.. so the question is, in the fullness of time, will it come to be known as WFB 9th edition? Or has the decision by GW to terminate it and restart it effectively ended the line of succession, regardless of how similar the rules are to the previous edition?
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 24, 2023 8:21:49 GMT
I think most people guessed this a long time ago so apologies for stating the obvious (!) but for me the significant thing about this announcement is that it finally confirms that the rules will be significantly different to 8th edition to necessitate pdfs for some factions rather than using the old books until the new ones are released. This isn't the first time this has happened of course.. so the question is, in the fullness of time, will it come to be known as WFB 9th edition? Or has the decision by GW to terminate it and restart it effectively ended the line of succession, regardless of how similar the rules are to the previous edition? I would still effectively see it as a Ninth Edition, given that GW said they've been looking back through all the old editions and applying bits and pieces from a number of them, rather than creating a brand-new game a la 8th Edition 40K. 6th Edition was similar for those who remember it - it was different enough for GW to have to release Ravening Hordes to reset all the armies for that edition (and these PDFs for the armies that aren't going to feature fully in the game from the start play that same role), but not so fundamentally different that it ended the line of succession and began a new one, as 8th Edition 40K arguably did - unit profiles still remained the same style, for instance. I'm wondering if the same will be the case for TOW. Bearing in mind GW want to capture the hearts of as many Warhammer Fantasy grognards and Warhammer: Total War acolytes as possible, they can't afford to make it too different from previous versions of the game because otherwise they'll lose significant portions of the target audience. They've already confirmed on Warhammer Community that TOW will still be recognisably Warhammer Fantasy, and that when preparing rules for Cathay they wrote a full book in 8th Edition first. With all this considered, though TOW has significant differences, I doubt it will try and reinvent the wheel too much.
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Post by beastyboy on May 24, 2023 9:34:39 GMT
Whether you like the news about the armies or not, this is at least the best article that GW have put out to date. I really like their talk about narrative which almost reinforces that it will be done in the same way as the heresy releases. If the initial story is focusing on the borderprinces, I wonder if they will be utilising any of the mythical black fire pass planned forgeworld book? I’m also putting my money where my mouth is and based on that, saying orcs will be one of the factions in the launch box. What about 2 boxes beasts and bretonians?
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Post by itsonlyme on May 24, 2023 17:11:36 GMT
As annoying as it is, the factions are still in the game and will probably have the ravening hordes treatment for some times (if you remember 6th Ed).
Vampire counts I found odd as I thought this was the period vlad tried to be emperor (which still leaves manfred).
I’m hoping we are going to get some kind of summoned Daemons for chaos.
I’m really curious what edition is going to be the basis of the rules, I’m guessing 8th with bits taken from other editions.
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Post by sedge on May 24, 2023 18:53:41 GMT
I don't get what happened to Kislev. They told us here on Warhammer Community that the Little Grom seen in Total War: Warhammer was "designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World." and "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team." Kislev got bigged up again here on Warhammer Community. So why on earth are they now missing from the factions announcement?
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Post by Mr Blank on May 24, 2023 19:18:15 GMT
I don't get what happened to Kislev. They told us here on Warhammer Community that the Little Grom seen in Total War: Warhammer was "designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World." and "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team." Kislev got bigged up again here on Warhammer Community. So why on earth are they now missing from the factions announcement? Maybe they decided they want to test the popularity of the game before committing to producing a whole new army, or might need to wait so they can fit them into age of sigmar alongside the old world. But then there is always the possibility that gw is just a bit of a shambolic company and doesn't act logically.
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