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Post by lordofskullpass on Nov 7, 2023 8:58:20 GMT
What is the different between Close Order and Open Order? They certainly didn't make it fully clear - is Open Order a halfway house between Closed Order and Skirmishers with models having half an inch of space between each other and operating like 8th Skirmishers, or is it just going to be an alternative to Closed Order where the unit still appears to form full ranks but follows Open Order rules? To be honest the latter makes sense in that every unit should be one or the other, and shouldn't be able to flip between the two, so we don't get daft situations like disciplined troops like High Elves and Dwarfs choosing to fight in Open Order like a herd of Gors. |
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Post by herjan1987 on Nov 7, 2023 10:37:22 GMT
By the way anybody thought that cavalry can aswell fast march? 3*6 inches or even more. They Will just zapp across the board.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Nov 7, 2023 11:30:15 GMT
By the way anybody thought that cavalry van aswell fast march? 3*6 inches or even more. They Will just zapp across the board. Well even infantry being able to triple march through the use of March Columns will be a lot faster, and to be honest I think that's quite a good thing, it should speed up the game (one of people's biggest complaints about Fantasy in the past I think has been perhaps that it's slower than 40K or AoS). Also remember that the speed provided by the March Column will come at the risk of being charged while in that March Column formation - a player will have to time the usage of March Column right to be able to benefit from the triple march and then take that turn to reform into Combat Order all before an enemy finds opportunity to charge. |
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Post by herjan1987 on Nov 7, 2023 12:30:49 GMT
I just feel sad, that the dwarfs will recieve the wrong end of the stick. 9 inch fast march is bad... They will get flanked really easy.
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Post by KevinC on Nov 7, 2023 14:14:00 GMT
I just feel sad, that the dwarfs will recieve the wrong end of the stick. 9 inch fast march is bad... They will get flanked really easy. ---Dwarfs have other strengths. |
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Post by KevinC on Nov 7, 2023 14:17:09 GMT
By the way anybody thought that cavalry van aswell fast march? 3*6 inches or even more. They Will just zapp across the board. Well even infantry being able to triple march through the use of March Columns will be a lot faster, and to be honest I think that's quite a good thing, it should speed up the game (one of people's biggest complaints about Fantasy in the past I think has been perhaps that it's slower than 40K or AoS). Also remember that the speed provided by the March Column will come at the risk of being charged while in that March Column formation - a player will have to time the usage of March Column right to be able to benefit from the triple march and then take that turn to reform into Combat Order all before an enemy finds opportunity to charge. ---------I'm not sure TOW Movement phase will speed up the game. With all these formations and maneuver (which I think are awesome!), the Movement phase can take a long time. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Nov 7, 2023 15:55:18 GMT
I just feel sad, that the dwarfs will recieve the wrong end of the stick. 9 inch fast march is bad... They will get flanked really easy. To be fair, Dwarfs have always been slow in every edition of the game... that's just the disadvantage of having short legs! And, in every edition of the game, they've been able to bypass that disadvantage with their killer artillery and runic combinations, and tough-as-nails armour. And that's before we even get to the Gyrocopters/bombers... |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Nov 7, 2023 16:08:19 GMT
Another TOW preview coming, on the 17th November (or the 18th for non-North-and-South-Americans):  As all the Bretonnian stuff was previewed in the Warhammer Day preview, I wonder if it'll be Tomb King-related this time? |
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Post by thegoat on Nov 7, 2023 17:11:32 GMT
Another TOW preview coming, on the 17th November (or the 18th for non-North-and-South-Americans): As all the Bretonnian stuff was previewed in the Warhammer Day preview, I wonder if it'll be Tomb King-related this time? Yes, I'll wager money this will be the Tomb King reveal. |
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Post by herjan1987 on Nov 7, 2023 17:26:24 GMT
Another TOW preview coming, on the 17th November (or the 18th for non-North-and-South-Americans): As all the Bretonnian stuff was previewed in the Warhammer Day preview, I wonder if it'll be Tomb King-related this time? There is a video on the internet, that the new chariot charachter is non other than Settra. Same as the new Bretonnian character is King Luoen Orc-slayer. Also I hope all of the kits will recieve a better version of the skeleton horses. |
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Post by knoffles on Nov 9, 2023 16:21:55 GMT
It was a great article with enough info to make me really pleased with almost everything I saw. I have one reservation around the marching column and a possible way to exploit it (admittedly, without the full rules this is theory craft). Unbreakable units, such as slayers or flagellants, won’t care about losing their rank bonus in the column or potentially not being able to charge. I’m hoping marching columns will have a minimum width, or they change the way champions work (or the numbers slayers can take), else those units could still make very effective darts or tarpit units that get triple movement to get in the way of enemy units. sedge as you specifically mentioned conga lines… |
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Nov 9, 2023 20:08:01 GMT
It was a great article with enough info to make me really pleased with almost everything I saw. I have one reservation around the marching column and a possible way to exploit it (admittedly, without the full rules this is theory craft). Unbreakable units, such as slayers or flagellants, won’t care about losing their rank bonus in the column or potentially not being able to charge. I’m hoping marching columns will have a minimum width, or they change the way champions work (or the numbers slayers can take), else those units could still make very effective darts or tarpit units that get triple movement to get in the way of enemy units. sedge as you specifically mentioned conga lines… Interesting. I wonder if rules like Unbreakable will be changed or removed for this reason. Maybe a unit in a marching formation gives up Unbreakable, and/or you require a rank bonus to be Unbreakable. They did say they added complexity to morale, I'd wager something like Unbreakable falls under that category of rules. I'm so eager to see the new rules I'm excited for Mondays again. What a world. |
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Post by herjan1987 on Nov 9, 2023 21:00:59 GMT
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Post by lordofskullpass on Nov 10, 2023 8:42:39 GMT
A plausible theory, but my only problem with it is that, as a King of Bretonnia, I'd have thought Louen Orcslayer would be riding a Hippogryph as Louen Leoncoeur did, rather than a Pegasus. But that certainly won't stop GW potentially revealing his model separately at some point later as a big surprise in its own right - indeed maybe that's what's going to be revealed in the preview next weekend, rather than Tomb Kings, or maybe opposite the Settra model. We'll have to see. Certainly the idea is a really cool premise - A Clash of Kings, a poke at Kings of War - and I'd love to see it either as part of the starter boxed game or as the focus of a campaign book for it. |
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Post by thegoat on Nov 10, 2023 12:13:38 GMT
A plausible theory, but my only problem with it is that, as a King of Bretonnia, I'd have thought Louen Orcslayer would be riding a Hippogryph as Louen Leoncoeur did, rather than a Pegasus. But that certainly won't stop GW potentially revealing his model separately at some point later as a big surprise in its own right - indeed maybe that's what's going to be revealed in the preview next weekend, rather than Tomb Kings, or maybe opposite the Settra model. We'll have to see. Certainly the idea is a really cool premise - A Clash of Kings, a poke at Kings of War - and I'd love to see it either as part of the starter boxed game or as the focus of a campaign book for it. Yea, I don't see a Royal Pegasus as a worthy mount for Louen Orcslayer from a fluff perspective. From a marketing perspective I don't see GW releasing a small and/or inexpensive model for him. If they do release a model for him, it will be one of those expensive giant centerpiece monstrosities they are so fond of these days. And it will probably be from Forgeworld too. |
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