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Post by herjan1987 on Nov 27, 2023 19:10:56 GMT
Speculation follows... Day one, two army boxes. One for Bretonnia and one for Tomb Kings. A few weeks later individual unit kits will start rolling out. Models for other factions won't arrive until their individual army books drop. Maybe one every three months. --------I don't know about other new models, but they just have to be launching miniatures and boxsets for all the main factions from day one... This is where I am thinking, they could have all the faction and sell it from the get go with pdf rules. We will see, what they go with.
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Post by sedge on Nov 27, 2023 19:11:29 GMT
With the gist of the main rules now covered, I'd say TOW looks like a solid WFB game. Excited about it. Fully in agreement with this - TOW looks like it'll be a good game, true to the ethos of Warhammer Fantasy. Whether it's better than 8th is another matter, but it looks like it's worth trying it out.
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Post by thegoat on Nov 27, 2023 19:14:23 GMT
Speculation follows... Day one, two army boxes. One for Bretonnia and one for Tomb Kings. A few weeks later individual unit kits will start rolling out. Models for other factions won't arrive until their individual army books drop. Maybe one every three months. --------I don't know about other new models, but they just have to be launching miniatures and boxsets for all the main factions from day one... GW's whole business model is built around releasing models at the same time as the army book to capitalize on the hype and excitement. If they make the classic models for all factions available day one, there will be very little for them to release along with the individual army books.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Nov 27, 2023 19:51:08 GMT
I'm concerned that Animosity now looks to be a universal special rule, that's taking something unique away from Orcs and Goblins. They'd better not give it to my Beastmen, that certainly won't help them get away from the 'Chaos Greenskins' mantra that non-Beastman players like to give them. Chaos warriors could also have animosity aswell. Between undivided and different marks. We will see how powerfull are these factions. I am optimistic about these things. Also about next weeks magic article. Warriors themselves I'm doubtful, as I've always seen them as having a level of discipline bordering on the inhuman (except perhaps Khornate warriors). Marauders, on the other hand, almost certainly would be, being bands of rowdy, often drunk neo-vikings. Alternatively, I have just looked through a copy of the 3rd Edition rulebook I have, and I wonder if the Animosity in TOW is going to be a hark back to a universal Animosity rule 3rd had, where units feel Animosity specifically toward other friendly units. This version specifically applied to Dwarfs (toward allied Elves), Greenskins (toward each other) and Norse humans and Dwarfs (toward each other). Beastmen didn't have this version, so they may be able to escape that after all.
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Post by thegoat on Nov 27, 2023 19:58:16 GMT
Chaos warriors could also have animosity aswell. Between undivided and different marks. We will see how powerfull are these factions. I am optimistic about these things. Also about next weeks magic article. Warriors themselves I'm doubtful, as I've always seen them as having a level of discipline bordering on the inhuman (except perhaps Khornate warriors). Marauders, on the other hand, almost certainly would be, being bands of rowdy, often drunk neo-vikings. Alternatively, I have just looked through a copy of the 3rd Edition rulebook I have, and I wonder if the Animosity in TOW is going to be a hark back to a universal Animosity rule 3rd had, where units feel Animosity specifically toward other friendly units. This version specifically applied to Dwarfs (toward allied Elves), Greenskins (toward each other) and Norse humans and Dwarfs (toward each other). Beastmen didn't have this version, so they may be able to escape that after all. I would be quite surprised if anything except Orcs and Goblins are affected by animosity. Based on what has been previewed, GW is sticking pretty close to 4th through 8th edition WFB look and feel. (Now that I've written that, I will be proven wrong.) But if more units/factions were to gain animosity, my vote would be for chaos daemons. Specifically when fielding damons of rival gods.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Nov 27, 2023 21:29:06 GMT
Warriors themselves I'm doubtful, as I've always seen them as having a level of discipline bordering on the inhuman (except perhaps Khornate warriors). Marauders, on the other hand, almost certainly would be, being bands of rowdy, often drunk neo-vikings. Alternatively, I have just looked through a copy of the 3rd Edition rulebook I have, and I wonder if the Animosity in TOW is going to be a hark back to a universal Animosity rule 3rd had, where units feel Animosity specifically toward other friendly units. This version specifically applied to Dwarfs (toward allied Elves), Greenskins (toward each other) and Norse humans and Dwarfs (toward each other). Beastmen didn't have this version, so they may be able to escape that after all. I would be quite surprised if anything except Orcs and Goblins are affected by animosity. Based on what has been previewed, GW is sticking pretty close to 4th through 8th edition WFB look and feel. (Now that I've written that, I will be proven wrong.) But if more units/factions were to gain animosity, my vote would be for chaos daemons. Specifically when fielding damons of rival gods. That's certainly a good one - indeed that could also apply to Warriors and Beastman units belonging to rival Chaos Gods as well. I also would say Skaven, but only if the target friendly unit has its rear arc within the testing unit's front-arc (and is thus a tempting target to backstab )
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Post by herjan1987 on Nov 27, 2023 22:08:44 GMT
I also would say Skaven, but only if the target friendly unit has its rear arc within the testing unit's front-arc (and is thus a tempting target to backstab ) Ooooh skaven, you could do a quite lore friendly animosity. For evidence there is Skavenslayer, where Thanqoul is backstabbing everyone.
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Nov 27, 2023 22:27:58 GMT
The core factions are all getting rules published at launch, and the other factions are getting the PDF treatment. There’s no need for them to wait for miniature re-releases to release army books when there are folks with armies ready to go and champing at the bit to play the game. They may print updated versions of the army books when miniature ranges are re-released.
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Post by thegoat on Nov 27, 2023 22:49:02 GMT
The core factions are all getting rules published at launch, and the other factions are getting the PDF treatment. There’s no need for them to wait for miniature re-releases to release army books when there are folks with armies ready to go and champing at the bit to play the game. They may print updated versions of the army books when miniature ranges are re-released. The launch faction rules, for both core and non-core alike, will be "get you by" style rules. Think Ravening Hordes from the launch of WFB 6th edition. Or the launch index rules for 40K 8th and 10th editions. The launch faction rules don't models released along side.
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Nov 27, 2023 23:22:55 GMT
The core factions are all getting rules published at launch, and the other factions are getting the PDF treatment. There’s no need for them to wait for miniature re-releases to release army books when there are folks with armies ready to go and champing at the bit to play the game. They may print updated versions of the army books when miniature ranges are re-released. The launch faction rules, for both core and non-core alike, will be "get you by" style rules. Think Ravening Hordes from the launch of WFB 6th edition. Or the launch index rules for 40K 8th and 10th editions. The launch faction rules don't models released along side. Where was this clarified? I must have missed it.
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Post by thegoat on Nov 27, 2023 23:34:37 GMT
The launch faction rules, for both core and non-core alike, will be "get you by" style rules. Think Ravening Hordes from the launch of WFB 6th edition. Or the launch index rules for 40K 8th and 10th editions. The launch faction rules don't models released along side. Where was this clarified? I must have missed it. It is my speculation based on past GW marketing. Maybe I'm wrong and they will change it up for the first time in thirty-five years.
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Nov 28, 2023 1:13:15 GMT
Since it’s a specialist studio game, maybe we should look to see what they did for Horus Heresy. I’m unfamiliar with how they handled faction rules on release.
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Post by lost on Nov 28, 2023 3:23:34 GMT
From what I’ve seen I feel like the entire game is moving towards a slower-paced game. Fighting, shooting, the magic I’ve seen all make it look tougher to remove units from the table than eighth edition. Of course until we see the full rule set I could very well be mistaken in the impression I have. Movement looks like it’s sped up, ie. you can get units around the board faster but, it also looks like units will generally be a lot wider on average making them more cumbersome. And that’s without speculating on people running 20-man wide units to get maximum attacks in combat.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Nov 28, 2023 8:46:57 GMT
Since it’s a specialist studio game, maybe we should look to see what they did for Horus Heresy. I’m unfamiliar with how they handled faction rules on release. For Horus Heresy they released two big army list books, one for Imperial forces and one for Chaos forces. That was originally how I envisioned they'd release army lists for all the Warhammer Fantasy factions from previous editions, before they said they'd shrink the faction count to 9. Now I doubt it'd be worth making big army list books for 5 Order factions, 3 Destruction factions and Tomb Kings, when they could release either separate army books or 'get you by' PDF lists for these alongside the factions that won't be included. To be honest I most like the idea of just PDF lists for everyone at launch, it'd be the easiest and cheapest way of getting existing players back into the game and picking up new players, and it also sets all the factions, whether they'll be focused on or not, on a level playing field so that even if later army books knock the game's balance awry there will still remain a definitive, hopefully particularly balanced, way of playing TOW, like the Ravening Hordes book did for 6th.
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Post by KevinC on Nov 28, 2023 12:01:53 GMT
--------I don't know about other new models, but they just have to be launching miniatures and boxsets for all the main factions from day one... GW's whole business model is built around releasing models at the same time as the army book to capitalize on the hype and excitement. If they make the classic models for all factions available day one, there will be very little for them to release along with the individual army books. --------Yeah but this is different. What if you are a player with no interest in Tomb Kings or Brets? You buy models from other companies? GW needs to have a range in place at launch or it doesn't make sense.
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