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Post by knoffles on Dec 2, 2017 8:27:15 GMT
@ Horace: Thanks! Had to laugh when I read "What best describes your gender?" I was tempted to fill in Warhammer Fantasy Battle there too, but could restrain myself. that made me laugh. I tried to mention, rank and file and 8th ed warhammer fantasy as much as possible, with a large dose of square base thrown in.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 2, 2017 12:41:41 GMT
I identify as Skaven, if you do not acknowledge me as such, I will let my slaves gnaw the flesh from your bones. Only the Horned Rat may judge me. Are you, by any chance, Queek...Sulktaker?
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Dec 2, 2017 15:47:09 GMT
I took the survey yesterday. I spent maybe an hour on it.
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Post by gjnoronh on Dec 2, 2017 16:13:44 GMT
I did it. I didn’t spend quite that long though! My feedback was largely on lowering barriers to entry. Make it easy for teens to get in on the ground floor and then expand their gaming gradually. A massive complex rules set that requires 100 models a player to run just isn’t good for people getting in. Things like necromunda mordheim bloodbow and various skirmish rules sets are better. Number of models per side has increased significantly in the core games since I started in 1990 That’s not good for new players IMO.
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Post by mottdon on Dec 3, 2017 11:29:03 GMT
I'm afraid that's what GW thinks their providing with AoS. That might just justified AoS in their minds.
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Post by KevinC on Dec 3, 2017 15:52:23 GMT
I just completed the survey.
The main point I made (several times) is that all (or at least nearly all) the WFB 8th edition rules & supplements are still available digitally (you can buy them in the apple store). I told them they should sell them on their web site and when they release new AOS models they could release rules for them for use in WFB 8th. They could say, "some of our older players enjoying using our models in a game called Warhammer Fantasy Battles..."
I also encourage them to make a game set in WFB, a new Mordheim, Warhammer Quest, etc.
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Dec 3, 2017 17:18:39 GMT
...when they release new AOS models they could release rules for them for use in WFB 8th. They could say, "some of our older players enjoying using our models in a game called Warhammer Fantasy Battles..." I also encourage them to make a game set in WFB, a new Mordheim, Warhammer Quest, etc. Yas and Yas
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Post by strutsagget on Dec 3, 2017 17:55:30 GMT
For me it would be enough with a person adding one day per quarter just adding some more faq and a units or two, all new rules on new units can be digital so if they are balanced wrong it's easy to update/changed.
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Post by gjnoronh on Dec 4, 2017 16:00:58 GMT
I'm afraid that's what GW thinks their providing with AoS. That might just justified AoS in their minds. I'm sure that's a major part of the reason for the switch to AoS and judging by the kinds of players we've got at Da Boyz GT for AoS vs the last few years of 8th ed, it's been effective. We've had lots of new players at Da Boyz many of whom are completely new to miniature gaming. At our local gaming store I've met close to a dozen people new fantasy miniature gaming who are starting AoS over the last 3 years - we had zero new WFB starts in our FLGS prior to AoS. Importantly in terms of sustainability I'm seeing a lot more of the 20-30 year old's. Of course we've lost lots and lots of veterans mind you I know (boy do I know!) I think in that sense it's gotten easier to get folks in since AoS, and the game system is designed to scale a bit better IMO at lower point values.
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Post by strutsagget on Dec 4, 2017 16:17:09 GMT
I do understand AoS and even think it is a smart move. But I do not understand why they have to abandon the old world. It would be so easy to just keep it alive. We don't need a new rulebook, don’t need new races and army books. Just some official support a couple of times every year would be enough and they could bring all 9a people back. Obvious the target group is big enough as a full community driven project exists worldwide with tournaments that run rank and file and square bases
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Post by mottdon on Dec 4, 2017 17:16:29 GMT
Yeah, there were so many unnecessary moves when they introduced AoS. What confuses me the most, though, is why not make AoS into a gateway to the bigger game of 8th? Get the "newcomers" started with a few models required to play AoS and then as they add more and more, eventually be able to play 8th. Having that larger game available, seems to me like just dangling a carrot for newbies to spend more money. Otherwise, a simple starter set and you're good.
It really would've been so easy to include a simple set of rules for 8th, with each AoS model they release. They still provide square bases if you want to buy them, so it's not that much more work on their behalf. The storylines between AoS and 8th don't even have to intersect. They are completely different games. Everyone loves having more optional ways to play with their stuff.
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Dec 4, 2017 17:36:31 GMT
Or do more of what they did with their LOTR/Hobbit Lines - Namely, individual miniatures in round bases, round bases go into a square unit tray. Great way to make AoS compatible with EEFL at the cost of 2 cents worth of plastic.
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Post by moopymorkyfeet on Dec 8, 2017 1:32:29 GMT
Took this survey as well, diplomatically expressed an interest in WFB being supported again. I've heard rumors of WFB being supported via Forgeworld, as I guess they do an alternate 40k version of "Warhammer 30k", whatever that means. At this point I'd love to see WFB continued to be supported by GW in any capacity, Forgeworld included, so here's hoping.
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Post by moopymorkyfeet on Dec 8, 2017 1:38:39 GMT
Yeah, there were so many unnecessary moves when they introduced AoS. What confuses me the most, though, is why not make AoS into a gateway to the bigger game of 8th? Get the "newcomers" started with a few models required to play AoS and then as they add more and more, eventually be able to play 8th. Having that larger game available, seems to me like just dangling a carrot for newbies to spend more money. Otherwise, a simple starter set and you're good. It really would've been so easy to include a simple set of rules for 8th, with each AoS model they release. They still provide square bases if you want to buy them, so it's not that much more work on their behalf. The storylines between AoS and 8th don't even have to intersect. They are completely different games. Everyone loves having more optional ways to play with their stuff. I absolutely agree with this. One of the biggest issues for me getting new people into the hobby was always how incredibly daunting it was, and there was no decent (small-scale) starter set(s). I've had a lot of really fun, satisfying 500 point games of Warhammer, they could totally have scaled the game down to "Skirmish with these rules" and made that AoS with the bigger 9th ed ruleset there for bigger games, even if it meant a big shift in rules between the two, scrapping one entirely was never a good answer. My main worry now if they do decide to support WFB in any way is that the AoS models they're producing seem to be of a larger scale and would look out of place with many WFB-era models. I know they still use some of the same sculpts but the new stuff all seems much larger.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Dec 8, 2017 9:10:48 GMT
I was actually surprised of how many different games work shop gaming systems I have/had
Warhammer fantasy role play Mighty empires Chainsaw warrior Rogue trooper Mordheim Inquisitor Blood bowl Warhammer 40,000 Warhammer fantasy battle
I've played necromunda but haven't owned and books or models.
Greg
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