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Post by Horace on Apr 18, 2019 10:31:13 GMT
Tbh all it needs is an FAQ covering the most contentious issues and preferably fixing a few issues here and there, and a Brets book. Tomb Kings do not need buffing except maybe a slight errata (was something done in the End Times books to this end?) they got an 8th book. the Skaven and Beastmen were 7th books written with 8th in mind and could be pretty much brought in line with an A4 sheet correcting a few things.
If the will was there it wouldn't be a HUGE amount of work to put 8th into a final decent position and would be a nice nod to the remaining Fantasy community. They could even combine it with a limited run of Brets/other stuff to coincide with the release of TWW3 or something..
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 18, 2019 14:06:13 GMT
I don’t think they care so will not bother this year. Not worth my time. Don’t play any of their current games either and heard a lot of shit about new 8ed 40k too with the rules/game utterly fall apart in larger games. That's how I feel as well. I completed the last questionnaire, but can't be bothered this time around.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 18, 2019 14:08:07 GMT
Apophas would fail... he is too underpowered! I chose him because he's the most stealthy of the TK characters - surely even he can subdue some unarmed GW staff? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on him. And if they have a security guard then it is all over!
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Post by gangland on Apr 18, 2019 14:41:40 GMT
I don’t think they care so will not bother this year. Not worth my time. Don’t play any of their current games either and heard a lot of shit about new 8ed 40k too with the rules/game utterly fall apart in larger games. Define “larger games.” I typically play around 2500-4000 points in 40k and games seem to go well. If you are talking apocalypse style though then I cannot comment.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 18, 2019 15:49:07 GMT
Tomb Kings do not need buffing except maybe a slight errata (was something done in the End Times books to this end?) they got an 8th book. Tomb Kings are consistently placed in the bottom tier in terms of power level (along with Beastmen and Bretonnia). Unfortunately, TK suffered from being one of the first 8th edition army books to be released. They definitely need some buffing, especially when comparing them to the top tier armies (WoC, HE, DE, etc.). Don't get me wrong, a well thought out errata could go a very long way in balancing them out. Allowing them to march, stand and shoot, reducing the effect of losing the hierophant, tweaking the Entombed Beneath the Sands and altering the interaction of the nehek lore attribute with animated constructs would make a huge difference. I'm not sure what all the changes were in the End Times, as I'm not a fan of it myself. I know they combined them with Vampire Counts, but I have no interest in playing a combined force. I like the Tomb Kings aesthetic. Besides, if one were to use the End Times rules, then the opponent could use combined chaos forces or combined Elven forces, either of which are obscenely overpowered.
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Post by Horace on Apr 19, 2019 16:38:55 GMT
Tomb Kings do not need buffing except maybe a slight errata (was something done in the End Times books to this end?) they got an 8th book. Tomb Kings are consistently placed in the bottom tier in terms of power level (along with Beastmen and Bretonnia). Unfortunately, TK suffered from being one of the first 8th edition army books to be released. They definitely need some buffing, especially when comparing them to the top tier armies (WoC, HE, DE, etc.). Don't get me wrong, a well thought out errata could go a very long way in balancing them out. Allowing them to march, stand and shoot, reducing the effect of losing the hierophant, tweaking the Entombed Beneath the Sands and altering the interaction of the nehek lore attribute with animated constructs would make a huge difference. I'm not sure what all the changes were in the End Times, as I'm not a fan of it myself. I know they combined them with Vampire Counts, but I have no interest in playing a combined force. I like the Tomb Kings aesthetic. Besides, if one were to use the End Times rules, then the opponent could use combined chaos forces or combined Elven forces, either of which are obscenely overpowered. There's always going to be a top and bottom though. Three end times replaced their undead rule with the vampires undead one. Ie they can match near the general
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 19, 2019 17:03:49 GMT
Tomb Kings are consistently placed in the bottom tier in terms of power level (along with Beastmen and Bretonnia). Unfortunately, TK suffered from being one of the first 8th edition army books to be released. They definitely need some buffing, especially when comparing them to the top tier armies (WoC, HE, DE, etc.). Don't get me wrong, a well thought out errata could go a very long way in balancing them out. Allowing them to march, stand and shoot, reducing the effect of losing the hierophant, tweaking the Entombed Beneath the Sands and altering the interaction of the nehek lore attribute with animated constructs would make a huge difference. I'm not sure what all the changes were in the End Times, as I'm not a fan of it myself. I know they combined them with Vampire Counts, but I have no interest in playing a combined force. I like the Tomb Kings aesthetic. Besides, if one were to use the End Times rules, then the opponent could use combined chaos forces or combined Elven forces, either of which are obscenely overpowered. There's always going to be a top and bottom though. Three end times replaced their undead rule with the vampires undead one. Ie they can match near the general I agree that a top and bottom tiers will always exist, but the disparity between say Tomb Kings and Warriors of Chaos is pretty substantial. Which is why, if GW were to go back and tweak 8th edition (without actually making a full on 9th edition) armies such as Tomb Kings, Bretonnia and Beastmen could definitely use a boost. The problem with End Times is that it is not applicable to regular games of 8th edition. So while choosing to use End Times rules gives TK a power boost, it also gives an equal or greater power bump to the powerhouse armies of Chaos and Elves. Combined Chaos and Elven armies are absolutely nasty, and I'd argue that the gap between them and bottom tier armies is actually increased in the End Times. I don't like the End Times because it inflates the power level of some armies but not others, and that power bonus is not based on the goal of balancing the game (the stronger armies got much stronger, while weaker ones received less of an advantage or none at all).
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Post by mottdon on Apr 19, 2019 17:44:01 GMT
I agree with Nightbringer.
If a TK player says he's using ET rules, then that opens that option for elf and WoC players as well, which don't really need a boost at all. The ET rules were only written to sell their story, not to balance things out.
The rules KevinC wrote for TK are a good addition which help them tremendously.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 19, 2019 17:55:05 GMT
The rules KevinC wrote for TK are a good addition which help them tremendously. Are these the rules you are referring to?...
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Post by warlordghazak on Apr 19, 2019 18:54:07 GMT
I did my part.
Cheers, WGG
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 19, 2019 18:59:59 GMT
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Post by grandmasterwang on Apr 20, 2019 3:33:21 GMT
I am also a Tomb Kings purist. I keep my Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts separate.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 20, 2019 4:19:12 GMT
I am also a Tomb Kings purist. I keep my Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts separate. Aesthetically it just feels wrong to mix them. In actuality, I don't even own any Vampire Counts. I suppose a mixed list lead by Arkhan the Black could make some sense, but even still, I have no interest in it.
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Post by And Again... on Apr 20, 2019 11:27:15 GMT
I am also a Tomb Kings purist. I keep my Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts separate. Aesthetically it just feels wrong to mix them. In actuality, I don't even own any Vampire Counts. I suppose a mixed list lead by Arkhan the Black could make some sense, but even still, I have no interest in it. You could use this chance to convert miniatures to fit properly in TK army, imagine dire wolves as undead jackals,hyenas or maybe even as Ammuts, the cairn wraiths and banshees as the vengeful spirits of priests and princes that have lost their mortal bodies (as in Egiptyan mortuary cult); corpse charts for moving broken constructs and stones to build temples, palaces....Don't limit to the mere catalogue.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 20, 2019 15:16:39 GMT
Aesthetically it just feels wrong to mix them. In actuality, I don't even own any Vampire Counts. I suppose a mixed list lead by Arkhan the Black could make some sense, but even still, I have no interest in it. You could use this chance to convert miniatures to fit properly in TK army, imagine dire wolves as undead jackals,hyenas or maybe even as Ammuts, the cairn wraiths and banshees as the vengeful spirits of priests and princes that have lost their mortal bodies (as in Egiptyan mortuary cult); corpse charts for moving broken constructs and stones to build temples, palaces....Don't limit to the mere catalogue. Those are some pretty good ideas. I suppose it could be done is someone possesses the time, patience and most importantly skill to blend it all into a cohesive army.
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