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Post by KevinC on Aug 9, 2021 3:06:46 GMT
I'm thinking it'll be Kislev vs. Chaos of some form since we've seen illustrations of the Kislev models. And chaos is a natural enemy for them. I'm just hoping it's similar to 8th. That being said, the one major thing they could do to make me not want to play is to bring back guess ranges. -----------Agreed, I want it to be like 8th edition. Also, I love that any player can measure anything at any time in 8th edition, so although I did enjoy guess range weapons (and I was good at it), I don't want it coming back either.
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Post by sedge on Aug 9, 2021 8:59:57 GMT
I think GW realised that guessing ranges favoured Orangutan-armed grognards whose 24 inch forearms had moles spaced at convenient 1 inch intervals, at the expense of long-sleeve favouring newbies. I doubt guessing ranges will make a comeback. We need to start speculating on what models this box could contain, not just the armies There's got to be some sort of big character in the box, mounted on something large (but not absolutely massive) - Empire would be what? Another Griffon, when there's already a modern kit in existence? The Imperial Dragon seems unlikely. Orcs and Goblins could get another Wyvern, or maybe a Boar/Wolf chariot with boss on. Beastmen maybe a Razorgor/Tuskgor chariot? Brets are an easy pick, with a shiny new Hippogryph. WoC have most their mounts/monsters catered to, save a Chaos Dragon, which is probably too big for a starter set box.
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Post by Golgfag on Aug 9, 2021 11:19:30 GMT
Wyvern vs Hippogryph would be fun in a starter box, not sure if they would put two flying monster mounts in one set though.
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Post by Tubis on Aug 9, 2021 12:23:19 GMT
If it's like with island of blood, where they attempted to put in as many different unit types as possible (flying monster, cavalry, monstrous infantry, wizards), this narrows it down a bit.
I don't think it's going to be the Empire, Kislev is a very safe bet I would say just by how much they talk about it. So some form of infantry (kossar's? the more heavily armoured types?), winged lancers, maybe a bear riding hero plus the orthodox-like warrior priest would be my guess.
As for the other side - it is hard to say. I fail to see how they would sell more new warriors of chaos, when they already have so many on the webstore. I think this is going to be something entirely new. Hobgoblins sounds possible or perhaps Norscan raiders (like the faction they've conjured up for Total War).
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Post by sedge on Aug 9, 2021 12:40:59 GMT
Brets seem an obvious/easy choice to get a balance of unit types - Lord on Hippogryph, Damsel on foot, 5 Knights of the Realm, 10 Peasant Bowmen, 10 Men at Arms. That's the same numbers as the Island of Blood High Elves had. Gives you a good mix of flying monster, magic, cavalry, infantry and ranged units. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to squeeze in a Grail Reliquae too and therefore the Men at Arms were Battle Pilgrims instead.
Orcs and Goblins are a little harder, as I feel it's unlikely they'd redo any of the good kits that could be brought back (e.g. Orc Boar Boyz) and they won't redo any with AoS overlap (Black Orcs, any Night Goblins). I could see them having something like - Warboss on Boar Chariot, Shaman on foot, 20 Orc Boyz, 10 Goblins (maybe with bows?), 5 Goblin Wolf Riders, 3 Trolls, maybe one of the warmachines too.
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Post by mottdon on Aug 9, 2021 17:03:14 GMT
Empire is a pretty easy one. New Knights. That alone will sell tons. Probably a War Wagon / War Altar / War Chariot platform for the new character (Magnus the Pious?) to ride on. Another Warrior Priest (preferably mounted) and some sort of war machine. Faith, Steel and Gunpowder. That'd check all three boxes.
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Aug 9, 2021 17:11:54 GMT
Have chaos been in a starter-set for fantasy? Hmmm. Good question. Not that I know of, which means they're probably due. That was the promotional trailer for TWWH3 though. My guess (and it IS just a guess) is that they will be using the video game as a template for TOW. Also, I know that many are saying this'll take place during the time of the 3 Emperors, but I'm thinking it'll be more about the Great War Against Chaos. In the 8th edition Empire book, pages 10-11, it describes Kislev, in particular, and Ostlanders fighting against Chaos. That alone gives me pause, but then on page 11 it states, "As winter engulfed THE OLD WORLD, the Chaos armies struck. The northern lands of Kislev we're quickly overwhelmed." This leads to the Siege of Praag and Magnus the Pious, whom I believe, will eventually make an appearance for the Empire army book introduction. That's my theory. I'm with Mottdon on this one. I bet they're going to cross promote this with Total War III's release which is featuring Kislev and Chaos. They've already shown off Kislev concept art for The Old World, so it seems logical the opposing force would be Chaos. But who the hell really knows, Total War III is currently slated for release this year, and we're probably a couple of years away from The Old World, so who knows what could change between now and then? Maybe they start trickling Kislev model previews to keep the Total War III players hyped after release?
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Post by mottdon on Aug 9, 2021 17:35:22 GMT
I don't think that Brets will be in the core set (my money's on Kislev vs Norsemen or Hobgoblins), BUT I think they'll be the first MAJOR army release after the core set + army add-ons. Brets will be re-written from top-down too, but with the same Knight-Peasant theme. It'll come soon after the initial game release. Loads of shiny new toys.
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Post by sedge on Aug 9, 2021 18:42:45 GMT
Empire is a pretty easy one. New Knights. That alone will sell tons. Probably a War Wagon / War Altar / War Chariot platform for the new character (Magnus the Pious?) to ride on. Another Warrior Priest (preferably mounted) and some sort of war machine. Faith, Steel and Gunpowder. That'd check all three boxes. They don't generally release big named characters in starter sets (especially faction leaders) - it tends to be minor characters made up for the release. Plus I think there'll be some narrative build-up to the big bad invasion before Magnus turns up. Then he'll be a ginormous £80+ model. There's also a question of whether they do it as a push-fit release (as the starter WFB/AoS/40k boxes have always been) or if it's regular multi-part plastic kits as "Specialist Games" releases are (Blood Bowl, Horus Heresy, Necromunda etc.). If they're push-fit then they normally release a separate multi-part kit for the units later on, which I suspect they wouldn't want to do for a game that's one one of their "big two".
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Post by mottdon on Aug 10, 2021 0:11:16 GMT
Oh, yeah, I definitely don't think Empire will be in the core set. Bit when they do show, it'll be something along those lines. I doubt they'll have much in the way of wizards either, but instead, they'll have PLENTY of focus on Warrior Priests (more prayers AND toys). That'll give them an edge for the lack of wizardry and a unique element other armies (Kislev, Brets, Cathy, etc.) won't have access to.
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Post by adso13 on Aug 10, 2021 3:25:56 GMT
I'm thinking we're looking at Winged Lancers (I'm gonna listen to soooooo much Sabaton when they come out), possibly some bear cavalry (because bear cavalry), some bowmen and an ice witch. As for chaos... who effin' knows, man? There are so many options there. Do we get demons? Do we get beastmen? (Probably not now that I think about it. Not as fluffy, or related to TWW.) Possibly some marauder faction with new marauder models, some new mounted marauders, some spawn (for monstrous models), and a caster of some sort. *Shrug* As long as the models are awesome, I'm gonna be throwing my money at them (carefully budgeted for and saved since 2019, of course.)
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Aug 10, 2021 5:09:01 GMT
As for chaos... who effin' knows, man? There are so many options there. Do we get demons? Do we get beastmen? (Probably not now that I think about it. Not as fluffy, or related to TWW.) Possibly some marauder faction with new marauder models, some new mounted marauders, some spawn (for monstrous models), and a caster of some sort. I'd rather see some Chaos Dwarfs, although that is probably the longshot of longshots.
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Post by strutsagget on Aug 10, 2021 5:58:25 GMT
Yes one thing is for sure… I will be broke after they release ToW.
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Post by Morvael on Aug 10, 2021 12:05:49 GMT
My guess for the initial releases is a main box, empire vs empire, with non region specific units aka horus heresy. Fight a warring states style game, with the main rules included.
Then I recon they'll release campaign style big books, with 2 army lists in each and a slew of models for those armies.
Big monsters and characters will come resin from FW
This'll continue throughout the various armies until all done. Then go back and fully flesh out each army with their own books and more models.
Seems a good way to test the water with a big single release that's standalone 🤷🏻♂️ followed by an interesting time line of events that introduce new armies
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Post by Sweet_Totally on Aug 10, 2021 12:15:12 GMT
Based on my expectation that the start set will have Kislev vs Chaos (Undivided) I reckon it will include something along the lines of this:
For Kislev: A general mounted on a polar bear. An ice witch on foot. Some of that axe-gun infantry we've seen in the TWW3 trailer. Some kislevite archers. Winged hussars.
For Chaos: Chaos Lord or Sorcerer on a chariot. Marauder BSB on foot. New viking-style Marauders. Spawns. Warhounds.
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