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Post by itsonlyme on May 24, 2023 20:29:41 GMT
Strictly, Kislev was just a few extra units in the empire book to begin with, they may well be rolled into the empire as a sub faction. I’m also assuming each of the provinces will be slightly different
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 24, 2023 20:30:24 GMT
I don't get what happened to Kislev. They told us here on Warhammer Community that the Little Grom seen in Total War: Warhammer was "designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World." and "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team." Kislev got bigged up again here on Warhammer Community. So why on earth are they now missing from the factions announcement? Because they want to start off with a small number of fan-favourite (and the most heavily culled during the AoS era) factions to test the game's popularity and focus on balancing those factions out, before expanding the game later on to include the other existing Fantasy factions and brand new ones like a full ramge of Chaos Dwarfs, Cathay and Kislev. New factions take a lot of time to develop fully, and what with the new Cities of Skubmar range and 10th Edition 40K in the pipeline, it's easier to re-release old models for previously culled factions at the same time, before focusing fully on newer factions later on once the game has gained traction and has been received.
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Post by itsonlyme on May 24, 2023 21:02:09 GMT
Well I guess I’ll be waiting for my warhammer 3 style mono-khorne then 🥲
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Post by thegoat on May 24, 2023 21:03:16 GMT
I don't get what happened to Kislev. They told us here on Warhammer Community that the Little Grom seen in Total War: Warhammer was "designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World." and "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team." Kislev got bigged up again here on Warhammer Community. So why on earth are they now missing from the factions announcement? 100% I would have wagered money WH:TOW was going to launch with Kislev. I think the Russia Ukraine war caused GW to reevaluate that plan. Kislev draws inspiration from both of those countries. No matter how GW marketed Kislev it would have alienated people.
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Post by knoffles on May 24, 2023 21:58:37 GMT
I don't get what happened to Kislev. They told us here on Warhammer Community that the Little Grom seen in Total War: Warhammer was "designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World." and "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team." Kislev got bigged up again here on Warhammer Community. So why on earth are they now missing from the factions announcement? If the narrative is gearing up to end with Asavah khul’s (probably speaks completely wrong), chaos invasion and the siege of praag, then they’ll likely be a later release and it will be based on the success of sales. They likely want to test the water with ‘safe’ sales of re-released kits with the odd new kit/character initially as it means they aren’t risking lots of capital. It definitely feels though that they might have scaled back some of their initial plans.
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Post by itsonlyme on May 24, 2023 22:39:44 GMT
I don't get what happened to Kislev. They told us here on Warhammer Community that the Little Grom seen in Total War: Warhammer was "designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World." and "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team." Kislev got bigged up again here on Warhammer Community. So why on earth are they now missing from the factions announcement? If the narrative is gearing up to end with Asavah khul’s (probably speaks completely wrong), chaos invasion and the siege of praag, then they’ll likely be a later release and it will be based on the success of sales. They likely want to test the water with ‘safe’ sales of re-released kits with the odd new kit/character initially as it means they aren’t risking lots of capital. It definitely feels though that they might have scaled back some of their initial plans. That should mean a new Valnir and Arbaal model 😉
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Post by KevinC on May 25, 2023 0:14:40 GMT
I don't get what happened to Kislev. They told us here on Warhammer Community that the Little Grom seen in Total War: Warhammer was "designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World." and "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team." Kislev got bigged up again here on Warhammer Community. So why on earth are they now missing from the factions announcement? --------Well it's sounding like TOW is basically a campaign book, but with a core set of rules (and army lists). So I'm guessing any future expansions will be campaign books and there is probably plans on Cathay and Kislev in those? For Kislev, I bet there might be a Siege of Praag book at some point with a Kislev army list...
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Post by thegoat on May 25, 2023 0:19:30 GMT
Well it's sounding like TOW is basically a campaign book, but with a core set of rules (and army lists). Where did you see that?
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Post by KevinC on May 25, 2023 0:28:16 GMT
It's my interpretation.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 25, 2023 12:15:26 GMT
I don't get what happened to Kislev. They told us here on Warhammer Community that the Little Grom seen in Total War: Warhammer was "designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World." and "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team." Kislev got bigged up again here on Warhammer Community. So why on earth are they now missing from the factions announcement? --------Well it's sounding like TOW is basically a campaign book, but with a core set of rules (and army lists). So I'm guessing any future expansions will be campaign books and there is probably plans on Cathay and Kislev in those? Agreed, what they've just announced in this article is merely the first wave, with the first campaign supplement covering war in the Border Princes and army lists for the first 9 the factions announced, and then it's likely they'll release others in due course as the game gains popularity, one for the war in the North featuring Kislev and Daemons, one for the Far East with Ogres, Chaos Dwarfs and Cathay, one for the New World with Dark Elves and Lizardmen, and so on.
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Post by simon on May 25, 2023 12:46:23 GMT
The announcement doesn't mention Kislev at all so they may very well be included in one of the expansions. However it doesn't look very positive for other 7 factions mentioned. It says that the core 9 factions will be the 'pivotal players in the events covered in narrative expansions and supplements' and it even describes the other 7 factions as 'legacy factions' that you can use 'for old times sake'... It sounds like they're managing expectations..
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Post by thielemann on May 25, 2023 14:12:21 GMT
The last mention of Cathay by Games Workshop was February 18th 2022 - over 15 months ago. The last article about Kislev was released July 21st 2021 - almost two years ago! Before that point almost every developer diary by GW had been about Kislev. In the article from October 7th 2021 the word "Kislev" is mentioned for the last time. Since then there have been 8 Articles/Diaries with not a single mention of Kislev. They made an entire map of "Grand Cathay" but now say that "the game will be set firmly within the Old World itself".
They completely scrapped their original plans and "The Old World" we will see now will be very different from GW's vision for it a few years ago.
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Post by itsonlyme on May 25, 2023 14:53:14 GMT
GW doesn’t seem to have much faith in the old world, it’s almost like they’ve feel forced to do it. I think that’s probably half the problem with warhammer, the company doesn’t seem to have an passion for anything without some kind of marine in the setting.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 25, 2023 15:03:56 GMT
The last mention of Cathay by Games Workshop was February 18th 2022 - over 15 months ago. The last article about Kislev was released July 21st 2021 - almost two years ago! Before that point almost every developer diary by GW had been about Kislev. In the article from October 7th 2021 the word "Kislev" is mentioned for the last time. Since then there have been 8 Articles/Diaries with not a single mention of Kislev. They made an entire map of "Grand Cathay" but now say that "the game will be set firmly within the Old World itself". They completely scrapped their original plans and "The Old World" we will see now will be very different from GW's vision for it a few years ago. They merely said that the first wave of supplements would be set in the Old World itself, and involve the 9 factions they listed in a campaign set in the Border Princes. They more than likely have plans to expand the game to other areas of the Warhammer world in future (why else would they bang on about Kislev and Cathay for so long? They wouldn't just promise something only to take it away, because it would upset those who were looking forward to it), but plan initially to start small with a few fan-favourite factions to get both new and existing players on board. Look at Warhammer: Total War, it only started with 4 Old World-based factions, and gradually expanded through numerous DLCs and two sequels to now encompass most of the Warhammer world and all the known factions from previous editions of the game, plus some new ones. Because the team working on TOW have been working with the Creative Assembly to design Warhammer: Total War, they probably plan to release several waves of campaign books plus new models for the new game in the same way. GW have already done this for Middle-Earth, with different campaign books set in different areas of Middle-Earth prompting the release of new models for the factions involved, which has largely been positively received. I reckon they're aiming to repeat that strategy here. I don't think it's worth doomsaying and thinking of the worst possible scenarios until we see more of what is going on and what plans they have for the game after its initial introduction. Certainly if they were to restrict it to the Old World as you think, then there would be minimal opportunities for growth of the game beyond that initial release (which is the prime recipe for it stagnating and dying), plus it would alienate players of some existing Fantasy factions, which I doubt is a mistake GW will make again after learning the hard way the first time with axing Bretonnians and Tomb Kings.
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Post by thielemann on May 25, 2023 15:51:20 GMT
This could well be true. I would not be surprised if they eventually expand upon it once they see how the release was received.
But you will certainly admit that they must have massively shifted their plans in any case considering that basically everyone used to expect Kislev to be one of the primary factions of the new game. Funnily enough they give lore explanations why various armies won't be in the core factions. But they don't even mention Kislev for 2 years after building a massive hype with almost monthly articles?
Something's rotten in that state - not Kislev but rather the United Kingdom whose relationship with a Kislev-like country has cooled to the point of seeing said country's television commentators showing animated videos where the UK is flooded by an underwater nuclear blast - lol! Doesn't anybody else think that it is this backdrop before which GW wanted to refrain from releasing a new game with banners and posters and videos displaying vodka-jugging, bear-riding, felt-hat-wearing men whose most common names are Boris and Vladimir?
Companies are so sensitive to the political climate nowadays and they will do absolutely anything to avoid being shitstormed. I am almost certain that we won't see any Kislevites for a very long time - happy to be proven wrong though.
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