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Post by lordofskullpass on Dec 13, 2023 9:32:13 GMT
Again, all interesting stuff! Grail Knights have had a WS and Toughness buff, but loss of +1 Armour Save for being mounted and Lances only being -2 AP most of the time are nerfs (not just to them but to all cavalry) and units that can Counter-Charge can potentially stop them from going first on the charge (though they can also Counter-Charge enemies, re-roll 1s when Charging and deny enemy units their Rank Bonus in their first charge of the game, all particularly handy for Bretonnians as a whole). Heavy Cavalry as a separate entity from Light Cavalry is also something I was interested in seeing, and of course it'll be the same with infantry too no doubt. Hopefully Heavies will get a bonus in combat against Light troops. Command Group upgrades are now 3 points cheaper (not much of a change but it could potentially add up the more units you have). Some Monsters or Monstrous Infantry may not have access to Stomp attacks (I’d be interested to know which ones and why… perhaps it’d make sense for creatures that prefer to fly like Phoenixes and Great Eagles to not have them, but there are a great many Monsters and Monstrous Infantry that should be able to keep it). Swiftstride now simply adds a static 3” to your Charge, Flight and Pursuit moves. Move Through Cover has come over from 40K Proper. Bretonnian Squires are now a new unit… I assume these are just renamed skirmishing Peasant Bowmen. Something that originated in the 5th Edition Bretonnian book, I was never fond of the idea of squires skirmishing with bows (and being called Peasantry when they are knights-in-training) when they should be with their knightly masters, fighting with sword and lance and learning how to be a knight. It all still sounds exciting though, the game’s certainly looking like a worthy successor to previous Warhammer Fantasy editions. Next week it’ll be Army Selection – thoughts on what you’d like to see? I’d most like to see the 8th Edition system return but with an increased minimum Core percentage – after all, Core Units have to make up a good proportion of your army to actually be considered the Core in the first place.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 13, 2023 12:12:45 GMT
Swiftstride now simply adds a static 3” to your Charge, Flight and Pursuit moves. The wording of swiftstride (and Virtue Of the Impetuous Knight) is confusing. I don't think it is a static +3" to the charge/flight/pursuit moves. "Maximum possible charge range" seems to be a defined value now. The static +3" is to that. Next week it’ll be Army Selection – thoughts on what you’d like to see? I’d most like to see the 8th Edition system return but with an increased minimum Core percentage – after all, Core Units have to make up a good proportion of your army to actually be considered the Core in the first place. I hope army selection is more than just percentages. A single 40+ man core unit should not be allowed. I wanted unit entries to have maximum sizes to keep that in check. But apparently not.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Dec 13, 2023 14:49:17 GMT
Swiftstride now simply adds a static 3” to your Charge, Flight and Pursuit moves. The wording of swiftstride (and Virtue Of the Impetuous Knight) is confusing. I don't think it is a static +3" to the charge/flight/pursuit moves. "Maximum possible charge range" seems to be a defined value now. The static +3" is to that. Ah no my mistake, have just reread the article and it is +1D6" to your charge, flight or pursuit, same as in 8th, after the 3" to your maximum charge range whatnot. Next week it’ll be Army Selection – thoughts on what you’d like to see? I’d most like to see the 8th Edition system return but with an increased minimum Core percentage – after all, Core Units have to make up a good proportion of your army to actually be considered the Core in the first place. I hope army selection is more than just percentages. A single 40+ man core unit should not be allowed. I wanted unit entries to have maximum sizes to keep that in check. But apparently not. I agree maximum unit sizes would be a good thing and should be added to stop that returning, the emphasis should be on an increased number of smaller units rather than on several big hordes as it was in 8th. If one wants a mass battle game with huge units, Warmaster serves that role well enough.
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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Dec 13, 2023 19:08:55 GMT
For Army Selection, I hope they keep the same percentage system they used in 8th. I always hated the "Your Big Special Thing" takes up two Lord slots and a Hero slot system. There should be more flexibility in your Lord/Hero selection. I also didn't like armies only allowing for 0-1 of Specials. Playing an MSU army should be an option, and that kind of limitation tends to kill that playstyle.
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Post by herjan1987 on Dec 14, 2023 14:25:17 GMT
Bretonnian Squires are now a new unit… My guess they are just renamed mounted yoemen. They should create a Squires on foot unit like in Total War.
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Post by lordofskullpass on Dec 14, 2023 15:45:12 GMT
Bretonnian Squires are now a new unit… My guess they are just renamed mounted yoemen. They should create a Squires on foot unit like in Total War. From what I noticed on the article they had the Skirmishers special rule, so unless GW decide to allow cavalry to use the rule as well, my guess is that they will be skirmishing foot bowmen.
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Post by herjan1987 on Dec 14, 2023 15:54:03 GMT
From what I noticed on the article they had the Skirmishers special rule, so unless GW decide to allow cavalry to use the rule as well, my guess is that they will be skirmishing foot bowmen. If they were a brand new unit then they would had a spotlite already. Also something a bit off. Dont you see that the spotlite is totaly about Bretonnia. Where are the Tomb Kings?
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Post by lordofskullpass on Dec 14, 2023 17:23:38 GMT
From what I noticed on the article they had the Skirmishers special rule, so unless GW decide to allow cavalry to use the rule as well, my guess is that they will be skirmishing foot bowmen. If they were a brand new unit then they would had a spotlite already. Also something a bit off. Dont you see that the spotlite is totaly about Bretonnia. Where are the Tomb Kings? Makes sense at the moment, because we haven't seen all the Tomb King model releases yet but they have previewed all the Bretonnian stuff. Once they've shown all the Tomb King range I'm sure there will be more articles about their rules as well.
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Post by Sweet_Totally on Dec 14, 2023 18:48:07 GMT
I could see them using any potential new Tomb King models as example units when going over the Lord/Hero/Core/Special/Rare-equivalent slots in next week's blog post about Army Selection.
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Post by Naitsabes on Dec 14, 2023 18:55:43 GMT
based on that photo of the TK box floating around, seems like there won't be new models besides the dragon thing and a foot character. Crazy that they will keep going with these older-than-old skeleton inf+cavalry.
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Post by Mallo on Dec 14, 2023 19:00:26 GMT
based on that photo of the TK box floating around, seems like there won't be new models besides the dragon thing and a foot character. Crazy that they will keep going with these older-than-old skeleton inf+cavalry. I'm totally happy that we still have the old skeleton riders. I brought a huge bundle of chariots, thinking I got the deal of the century but they didn't actually come with horses. I'll finally be able to fix them all up! I suspect for the high price they will be charging, theres what €400 quids worth models in that one box, a lot of people are going to be shocked to be paying modern prices for ancient models. For the amount of models, if they those sets are going to be anything under €250 then I'd be pleasantly surprised. I suspect it will be more like €350, as that new model is €100 new at least.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 14, 2023 19:41:47 GMT
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Post by thegoat on Dec 14, 2023 19:47:40 GMT
Above box looks to come with the rulebook, a quick reference guide, some dice, 3" & 5" blast markers, flame template, and the classic GW whippy sticks.
Rulebook has a blue cover (not red) and so does the box. Is blue the overall WH:TOW theme color? Or will the corresponding Bretonnia box and rulebook be a different color?
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Dec 14, 2023 20:33:33 GMT
based on that photo of the TK box floating around, seems like there won't be new models besides the dragon thing and a foot character. Crazy that they will keep going with these older-than-old skeleton inf+cavalry. Especially for the launch of the new game.
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Post by Luigino on Dec 14, 2023 21:35:19 GMT
The real question is, how expensive is that starter box going to be?
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